Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
I think Google safety glasses would be a better idea. That way, you kill two
birds with one stone: information and safety. =D
Oh, and a third benefit: hands free.
Nadine
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Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:28 PM
Subject: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally
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{}#yiv1144396397 I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked
for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their
manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines. Sometimes
the chain of machines was a block long. They have also considered issuing
tablets with their machines for the operators to use. Craig
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 3:41 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Thanks for
the links Maxwell. The PDF looks interesting. As for the HTML, I understand
Responsive HTML is cool and all that and has some applications, but I am trying
to come up with a scenario where I would look up something in FrameMaker Help
on my phone. If I need to research something in FrameMaker Help, I think I
would open a browser in one of my two desktop monitors instead of trying to
read it on a tiny phone screen (Galaxy S3). Is this capability something
requested by other Frame users or is Adobe simply showing that it can be done
via Frame?
…….…….…….…….…….…….…… Michael
Norton | Technical Writer
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Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
Nobody walks around while using FrameMaker. My guess is they chose Responsive HTML over WebHelp for the same reason they dropped topics, used larger type and screen shots, added page breaks, and posted a URL to pages not visible to the public. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
They walk around while reading the help docs created in Framemaker. Sorry if I was unclear. The proof of concept is that FM can be used to create this sort of documentation. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Nobody walks around while using FrameMaker. My guess is they chose Responsive HTML over WebHelp for the same reason they dropped topics, used larger type and screen shots, added page breaks, and posted a URL to pages not visible to the public. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
Sure, it makes sense to generate all of the output formats and make them available as samples. But choosing Responsive HTML instead of WebHelp as the format for the primary copy of the help on adobe.com just serves to highlight its limitations. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: They walk around while reading the help docs created in Framemaker. Sorry if I was unclear. The proof of concept is that FM can be used to create this sort of documentation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
I'm curious about one thing (well, more than just one; but one thing in the current context...): Has Adobe ever actually said that they use FrameMaker produce the FrameMaker documentation? I know that Microsoft has never made any such statement about the MS Word documentation, and for years there have been two persistent rumors about this; one is that they use a proprietary in-house tool or system, and another is that they use FrameMaker. -FR From: craig...@hotmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:19:05 -0600 They walk around while reading the help docs created in Framemaker. Sorry if I was unclear. The proof of concept is that FM can be used to create this sort of documentation. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Nobody walks around while using FrameMaker. My guess is they chose Responsive HTML over WebHelp for the same reason they dropped topics, used larger type and screen shots, added page breaks, and posted a URL to pages not visible to the public. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
You can sometimes tell from the PDF properties ... I always find it interesting when I see stuff that tells me that people don't trust their own [editing and other] tools! :) But in this case, the meta-data for Using-FrameMaker-12.pdf says it was created by Application: FrameMaker 12.0.3 using Acrobat Distiller 11.0 (Windows). Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:07 PM To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped I'm curious about one thing (well, more than just one; but one thing in the current context...): Has Adobe ever actually said that they use FrameMaker produce the FrameMaker documentation? I know that Microsoft has never made any such statement about the MS Word documentation, and for years there have been two persistent rumors about this; one is that they use a proprietary in-house tool or system, and another is that they use FrameMaker. -FR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
In the old days (circa 1993), when Microsoft actually produced hard copy manuals - and they were fabulous manuals from a content standpoint - they did actually use MS Word to produce them (my husband was a Microsoft programmer at the time). Since they've gone to online help, it's more about the online than the help - unless of course you need to do something really difficult like open a file or apply a bold font style. The kind of help a seasoned writer would be looking for is pretty much non-existent. Alison Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:07 PM To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped I'm curious about one thing (well, more than just one; but one thing in the current context...): Has Adobe ever actually said that they use FrameMaker produce the FrameMaker documentation? I know that Microsoft has never made any such statement about the MS Word documentation, and for years there have been two persistent rumors about this; one is that they use a proprietary in-house tool or system, and another is that they use FrameMaker. -FR From: craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:19:05 -0600 They walk around while reading the help docs created in Framemaker. Sorry if I was unclear. The proof of concept is that FM can be used to create this sort of documentation. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:48 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped Nobody walks around while using FrameMaker. My guess is they chose Responsive HTML over WebHelp for the same reason they dropped topics, used larger type and screen shots, added page breaks, and posted a URL to pages not visible to the public. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I think this is probably a proof of concept issue. I worked for a packaging machine making company that would love to be able to have their manuals available to operators as they walked around their machines ... ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: why view on phone WAS: online FrameMaker 12 Documentation totally revamped
Microsoft reportedly didn't use FrameMaker or RoboHelp to create online help: http://www.techwr-l.com/archives/0308/techwhirl-0308-00155.html#.VJCxcydg6iM Microsoft Press has used FrameMaker for some books and probably still does. They did the MMoS4 in InDesign. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
