Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
John, FM should not crash when you apply Show/Hide settings. Please give us an update and let us know if you experience crashes now that you've switched to using conditional expressions. When you were using the Show/Hide shuttle boxes, did FM always crash when processing the same file? Did restarting FM or rebooting your computer make a difference? To answer your original question, yes, once you have selected the files in a book window, you can make Show/Hide settings in the selected files either using the Show/Hide Conditional Text box, or by importing formats from a template and checking the Conditional Text Settings box. Assuming that all the documents already have the same conditional text definitions, the two methods should produce identical results. In that since, they are both "right". However, the first method seems more obvious to me and more in the spirit of conditional text. The condition tags have to be defined before they can be shown or hidden. The intent of this FM feature is to be able to show or hide different content without having to redefine the conditions. It was creative of you to see if the second method made a difference in observed behavior, but it shouldn't be necessary. --Lynne On 1/14/2020 1:36 PM, John Posada wrote: I've been experiencing crashes when applying a Show per condition. I've applied conditions two different ways... - Select all the files in the book, configure Show/Hide , pick the condition, move to Show side, click radio button for Show as per Condition, then Apply. - In the template file, configure Show/Hide, Apply, then File->Import->Conditions. Is one of these the RIGHT way and one the WRONG way, or is there a more stable way? -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
On 1/14/2020 4:14 PM, John Posada wrote: I also noticed that some tiny snippets got through. like some bullets without content, stuff like that. However, it has potential. John, You might make sure text symbols are on when you assign the condition tags. If you want to make an entire paragraph conditional, make sure you select the end-of-paragraph symbols. If you apply the condition to all the content of the paragraph without the EOP, hiding the condition will leave an empty paragraph. --Lynne -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
Hi, guys... In developing the Conditional Expression (first time doing it), is it advisable that within the parens, to list multiple exclusions as "A" or "B", or "A" and "b"? Below I have a portion of my statement where I want to INCLUDE Collis, Amanda but EXCLUDE everyone else (there are a total of 19 (1 include and 18 excludes). The intent is to show any text belonging to Amanda, but exclude everyone else. "Collis, Amanda" and not ( "Cunningham, Brian" or "Fit, Deanna" or "Gilmore, Tzedek" or "Hoy, Nicole" or "Kassis, David" or "Lee, Edward" or "Litwak, David" or "Noor, Khurram" or "OMara, Vincent" or ...etc. Thanks On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:00 AM Reng Winfried wrote: > Hi John, > > When there are bullets without content, then the paragraph mark > does not have the condition. > When this is at the end of a flow (in a table cell or at the end of the > main text flow), then add an empty paragraph without condition > after the paragraph with the condition. > > You asked whether you can import regular expressions into other files. > I checked this and could import the regular expressions from another > file. > Just use File | Import | Formats. Then select Conditional Text Settings. > > Best regards > > Winfried > > -Original Message- > From: Framers carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of John Posada > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:15 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings > > Robert...I think this can work. I have to do some tweeks, like add a > default condition for sections and files that don't have an owner yet so > that I can exclude those sections from each "personal SME book build". I > should be able to define 19 expressions, one for each content owner. > > I also noticed that some tiny snippets got through. like some bullets > without content, stuff like that. However, it has potential. > > Question...I have a "RunBookTemplate" document where I define all of my > styles, and when I define or modify a style, I make it in the template, > then copy the appropriate formats to all the files in the book from the > tempalte. Can I store my Expressions in that document and when I create a > new document or add a new Expression, replicate the new or modified > Expressions to the new document or all the documents in the book? > > Anyway..thanks for the tip...I think this is going to work for me. > > Thank you > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- John Posada ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
Hi John, When there are bullets without content, then the paragraph mark does not have the condition. When this is at the end of a flow (in a table cell or at the end of the main text flow), then add an empty paragraph without condition after the paragraph with the condition. You asked whether you can import regular expressions into other files. I checked this and could import the regular expressions from another file. Just use File | Import | Formats. Then select Conditional Text Settings. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:15 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings Robert...I think this can work. I have to do some tweeks, like add a default condition for sections and files that don't have an owner yet so that I can exclude those sections from each "personal SME book build". I should be able to define 19 expressions, one for each content owner. I also noticed that some tiny snippets got through. like some bullets without content, stuff like that. However, it has potential. Question...I have a "RunBookTemplate" document where I define all of my styles, and when I define or modify a style, I make it in the template, then copy the appropriate formats to all the files in the book from the tempalte. Can I store my Expressions in that document and when I create a new document or add a new Expression, replicate the new or modified Expressions to the new document or all the documents in the book? Anyway..thanks for the tip...I think this is going to work for me. Thank you ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
Robert...I think this can work. I have to do some tweeks, like add a default condition for sections and files that don't have an owner yet so that I can exclude those sections from each "personal SME book build". I should be able to define 19 expressions, one for each content owner. I also noticed that some tiny snippets got through. like some bullets without content, stuff like that. However, it has potential. Question...I have a "RunBookTemplate" document where I define all of my styles, and when I define or modify a style, I make it in the template, then copy the appropriate formats to all the files in the book from the tempalte. Can I store my Expressions in that document and when I create a new document or add a new Expression, replicate the new or modified Expressions to the new document or all the documents in the book? Anyway..thanks for the tip...I think this is going to work for me. Thank you On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:36 PM John Posada wrote: > I have NOT!. Looks interesting, may give it a shot. Will let you know. > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:15 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > >> Have you tried using expressions? >> >> >> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS46cc06adead47c017f8f199e1454a55c1f5-8000.html >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:36 PM John Posada wrote: >> > >> > ... I've been experiencing crashes when applying a Show per condition. >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > John Posada > -- John Posada ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
I have NOT!. Looks interesting, may give it a shot. Will let you know. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:15 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > Have you tried using expressions? > > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS46cc06adead47c017f8f199e1454a55c1f5-8000.html > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:36 PM John Posada wrote: > > > > ... I've been experiencing crashes when applying a Show per condition. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- John Posada ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Applying Show/Hide Conditional Settings
Have you tried using expressions? https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/WS46cc06adead47c017f8f199e1454a55c1f5-8000.html On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 1:36 PM John Posada wrote: > > ... I've been experiencing crashes when applying a Show per condition. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
