Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-12-15 Thread Grant Hogarth
I agree. What I was describing was a vector file that contained a PNG, and 
which the client called a "vector PNG". 
[And the client is always right... ]

⁣Grant

On Dec 14, 2020, 5:14 PM, at 5:14 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
>PNG is a raster format. It can't contain vector image data. (Adobe
>Fireworks used the PNG extension but included a lot of incompatible
>stuff.)
>
>Most vector file formats can also contain bitmaps. It used to be
>common that users didn't understand why EPS images looked terrible in
>FrameMaker, where they were looking at a low-res bitmap preview, and
>fine when printed.
>
>On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:03 AM Grant Hogarth 
>wrote:
>>
>> When I've seen "Vector PNG" images before, it's usually a Vector
>> (AI/EPS/SVG) portion laid over a raster (PNG) image.  So part of it
>will
>> render/scale nicely, but the other (depending on how large the source
>> image is) does not.
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-12-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
PNG is a raster format. It can't contain vector image data. (Adobe
Fireworks used the PNG extension but included a lot of incompatible
stuff.)

Most vector file formats can also contain bitmaps. It used to be
common that users didn't understand why EPS images looked terrible in
FrameMaker, where they were looking at a low-res bitmap preview, and
fine when printed.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:03 AM Grant Hogarth  wrote:
>
> When I've seen "Vector PNG" images before, it's usually a Vector
> (AI/EPS/SVG) portion laid over a raster (PNG) image.  So part of it will
> render/scale nicely, but the other (depending on how large the source
> image is) does not.
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-12-14 Thread Shmuel
What extension does this type of image have?

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 9:03 PM Grant Hogarth  wrote:

> When I've seen "Vector PNG" images before, it's usually a Vector
> (AI/EPS/SVG) portion laid over a raster (PNG) image.  So part of it will
> render/scale nicely, but the other (depending on how large the source
> image is) does not.
>
> Grant
>
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> 
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
>
> >Hmmm ... PNG is not a vector format - it is a bitmap ("raster") too.
> >
> >So, I am not sure what format your illustrator actually provided!
> >
> >Z
> >
> >Sparky Anderson wrote:
> >>  I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a
> vector PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the
> image loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes
> it during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not
> rasterize images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original
> vector PNG, I can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-12-13 Thread Grant Hogarth
When I've seen "Vector PNG" images before, it's usually a Vector 
(AI/EPS/SVG) portion laid over a raster (PNG) image.  So part of it will 
render/scale nicely, but the other (depending on how large the source 
image is) does not.


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Hmmm ... PNG is not a vector format - it is a bitmap ("raster") too.

So, I am not sure what format your illustrator actually provided!

Z

Sparky Anderson wrote:

 I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector PNG.  
If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image loses 
sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it during the 
publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize images?  If I 
replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I can zoom up the 
HTML without losing clarity.

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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-12-01 Thread Sparky Anderson
Yeson second look I see that it's not actually vector...just one of the
better PNGs I've seen.

Thanks everyone.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:40 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> No idea what your illustrator gave you, but a PNG is not a vector format.
> Like JPG, it is a raster format.
>
> See here for an explanation of the differences:
> https://blog.hubspot.com/insiders/different-types-of-image-files
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM Sparky Anderson 
> wrote:
>
> > I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector
> > PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image
> > loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it
> > during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not
> rasterize
> > images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG,
> I
> > can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug  wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> > >
> > >> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its
> sharpness
> > >> when
> > >> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will
> > >> work
> > >> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector
> > >> text
> > >> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't
> > work
> > >> as
> > >> > a vector in Frame.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks!
> > >> >
> > >> > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Interesting!

Converting a raster image to vector format usually is fraught with problems, so 
I wonder how well these folks do it. They claim to do JPG -> SVG conversions 
too.

(Of course, converting from vector to raster is normal - "on the fly" from 
vector to display or print during the rendering provides the best outcome, of 
course.)

Z

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

These guys do a free online PNG to SVG translation. I haven't used them, but if 
you give them a try, you can let us all know if they do a good job or not.
https://www.pngtosvg.com/

Thanks.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-11-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hmmm ... PNG is not a vector format - it is a bitmap ("raster") too.

So, I am not sure what format your illustrator actually provided!

Z

Sparky Anderson wrote:
> I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector PNG.  
> If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image loses 
> sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it during the 
> publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize images?  If 
> I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I can zoom up 
> the HTML without losing clarity.
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-11-30 Thread Craig Ede
These guys do a free online PNG to SVG translation. I haven't used them, but if 
you give them a try, you can let us all know if they do a good job or not.
https://www.pngtosvg.com/

Thanks.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:37 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector
PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image
loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it
during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize
images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I
can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug  wrote:

> Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
>>
>> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness
>> when
>> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will
>> work
>> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector
>> text
>> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work
>> as
>> > a vector in Frame.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-11-30 Thread Lin Sims
No idea what your illustrator gave you, but a PNG is not a vector format.
Like JPG, it is a raster format.

See here for an explanation of the differences:
https://blog.hubspot.com/insiders/different-types-of-image-files

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM Sparky Anderson 
wrote:

> I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector
> PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image
> loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it
> during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize
> images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I
> can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug  wrote:
>
> > Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
> >
> >> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
> >>
> >> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness
> >> when
> >> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will
> >> work
> >> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector
> >> text
> >> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't
> work
> >> as
> >> > a vector in Frame.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-11-30 Thread Sparky Anderson
I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector
PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image
loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it
during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize
images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I
can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug  wrote:

> Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
>>
>> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness
>> when
>> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will
>> work
>> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector
>> text
>> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work
>> as
>> > a vector in Frame.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
JPG will not work for vector output - it is a bitmapped format.

Try SVG if your imaging tool will support that output format. 

Z

Doug wrote:
> I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when 
> the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work for 
> this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text in 
> Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as a 
> vector in Frame.
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

WMF and EMF are also vector formats. I use WMF.

On 25-Aug-20 10:26 PM, Doug wrote:

I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when
the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work
for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text
in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as
a vector in Frame.

Thanks!

Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Doug
Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
>
> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness
> when
> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work
> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text
> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work
> as
> > a vector in Frame.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Fred Ridder
That's because JPG is a raster (i.e. fixed resolution) image format.
You need to use a file format that contains vector images or that can contain 
both raster and vector data. For FrameMaker, this typically means EPS, PDF, or 
EMF/WMF. When I was still using FrameMaker regularly, I usually used PDF 
cropped to contain the image with minimal whitespace borders. One advantage of 
PDF is that FrameMaker displays a better likeness of the graphic in the 
document view than it does with other vector formats (but this may have 
improved in more recent versions of Frame than I last used.)

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Subject: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when
the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work
for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text
in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as
a vector in Frame.

Thanks!

Doug
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:

> I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness when
> the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will work
> for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector text
> in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work as
> a vector in Frame.
>
> Thanks!
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