RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
Hi Fred, I really prefer FrameMaker's backup mechanism as it is. Every some months I notice that I saved something (and closed the file) and then I noticed that the last change was not correct. Then I can take the backup without these last changes. Other applications do the same, e.g. CorelDesigner/CorelDraw. Therefore that's a common approach. If you want a copy when you save a file, then you might do this via FrameScript or ExtendScript. Similar scripts had been discussed several times on the framescript-users mailing list. You might log a feature request here: https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 11:11 PM To: David Artman; Tim Pann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag? David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
0) Save all files in book. 1) Get condition onto your Clipboard (right-click text with the condition, Copy Special Conditional Text Format). 2) Find: Paragraph Style [name of paragraph]. 3) Replace: By Pasting. 4) Find and Change for one or two, then fire Replace All when you see that it's going to work out. 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) HTH; David Original Message Subject: Conditional text by paragraph tag?From: Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.comDate: Wed, February 11, 2015 3:59 pmTo: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.com Hello, In Frame 9, is it possible for me to set all text of a given paragraph tag to a particular conditional text format in a single step? For example, I want to assign the condition “Lisa Info” to all paragraph tags b1 Body1 and bu1 Bullet1, but not to paragraph tag followUp, without going through and selecting each paragraph. Thank you, Tim Pann Senior Technical Trainer TeleCommunication Systems, Inc. c: (206) 549-1022 w: (206) 792-2710 ___You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartman.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
This is the way to go, but only if you want “Lisa Info” to be the only conditional text format on the target paragraphs. If some of them are already tagged with other conditional text formats, this procedure removes that other tagging. Cheers Rebecca From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:43 a.m. To: Tim Pann; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag? 0) Save all files in book. 1) Get condition onto your Clipboard (right-click text with the condition, Copy Special Conditional Text Format). 2) Find: Paragraph Style [name of paragraph]. 3) Replace: By Pasting. 4) Find and Change for one or two, then fire Replace All when you see that it's going to work out. 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) HTH; David Original Message Subject: Conditional text by paragraph tag? From: Tim Pann tp...@telecomsys.commailto:tp...@telecomsys.com Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 3:59 pm To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Hello, In Frame 9, is it possible for me to set all text of a given paragraph tag to a particular conditional text format in a single step? For example, I want to assign the condition “Lisa Info” to all paragraph tags b1 Body1 and bu1 Bullet1, but not to paragraph tag followUp, without going through and selecting each paragraph. Thank you, Tim Pann Senior Technical Trainer TeleCommunication Systems, Inc. c: (206) 549-1022 w: (206) 792-2710 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.commailto:da...@davidartman.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartman.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
I work on our company network. At the end of each day, I delete any unwanted files from the folder(s) I've been working in, and copy the folders for that manual to my local drive. I know it relies on my memory, but I've done it for so long now, it's become a habit. Dave On 12/02/2015 11:10 a.m., Fred Ridder wrote: David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fm http://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fm http://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dave.reyno...@taitradio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40taitradio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Dave Reynolds Senior Technical Author Tait Communications DDI: 64 3 3581029 Email: dave.reyno...@taitradio.com mailto:dave.reyno...@taitradio.com Tait Communications - Devoted to your cause www.taitradio.com http://www.taitradio.com -- -- This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended recipient. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If you are not an intended recipient, you may not use, disseminate, distribute or reproduce such email, any attachments, or any part thereof. If you have received a message in error, please notify the sender immediately and erase all copies of the message and any attachments. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission nor can we guarantee that any email or any attachments are free from computer viruses or other conditions which may damage or interfere with recipient data, hardware or software. The recipient relies upon its own procedures and assumes all risk of use and of opening any attachments. -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
I think that the idea of the FM backup files is to provide *something* in case the current file gets corrupted in some way. It's better to lose the last edits to a file than to have the current (possibly corrupt) file overwrite what was a good file. Perhaps instead of calling these filename.backup.fm it should have been filename.lastgood.fm. If you want real backups, you need to set up a mechanism for copying the current files elsewhere for safe keeping. ...scott On 2/11/15 2:10 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fm http://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fm http://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp14%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
When trying a potentially destructive kludge, I save, close, and make a .zip of the project directory first. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
The idea of FrameMaker's backup files is similar to the idea of its network locking: both seemed like a good idea in the 80s. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
Scott Prentice said: If you want real backups, you need to set up a mechanism for copying the current files elsewhere for safe keeping. Indeed! (As I recall, we discussed this recently) ... my approach is an Archive folder below the book folder to which I copy everything before each edit session, so I can roll back if needed. And a separate Windows-level backup system (I highly recommend ShadowProtect from StorageCraft - but there are others) to store away changed files twice a day, with a 3 month rolling storage. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 2:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Conditional text by paragraph tag? I think that the idea of the FM backup files is to provide *something* in case the current file gets corrupted in some way. It's better to lose the last edits to a file than to have the current (possibly corrupt) file overwrite what was a good file. Perhaps instead of calling these filename.backup.fm it should have been filename.lastgood.fm. If you want real backups, you need to set up a mechanism for copying the current files elsewhere for safe keeping. ...scott On 2/11/15 2:10 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fmhttp://backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.commailto:s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp14%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
David Artman wrote: 5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your backup.fm files (you DO automatically save backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) ) No, in fact I *don't* let FrameMaker generate .backup.fm files because they aren't really backups. They are just renamed versions of the *previous* saved version of the file. Say you open a document FileA.fm. You make a whole slew of changes, and then do a Save. You figure that the newly saved FileA.fm is identical to FileA.backup.fm because you had FrameMaker make a backup upon saving, right. Wrong. FileA.backup.fm is the *original* file that you opened, *before* you made any changes to it. The backup is always one set of changes behind the content that a real backup would have in it. (And since Frame won't even let you do a Save unless you've changed *something*, the current saved version and the backup can *never* be identical.) So rolling back to the automatic backup will actually lose you the last set of changes that were in your last save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
