RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
I like having backups available in case of crashes or other emergencies, so I don't want to turn them off. As it's also my habit to save different versions of an active FrameMaker project in different folders, backups are only required for those emergencies. That makes a lot of clutter in the folder for my FM files, and there are times I need to see my files without the clutter. Deleting or moving backups is not easy if you have lots of files; you can reorder the files any way you like but the backups stay glued to their parent FM files. To get rid of the backups temporarily, I wrote an old-fashioned batch (BAT) file that moves backup files to a folder on my C: drive (FM_Backup) and then deletes the log file. It takes only a few seconds to run, and leaves a pristine view of the FM files. IMPORTANT: This only works when FrameMaker is closed because FM automatically regenerates backup files as soon as you touch an open file. The code I use is below. You can modify it to delete the files instead of moving them, change the backup folder name, get rid of the log deletion, whatever you'd like. 1. In Notepad or another text editor, copy the following lines: Move *.backup.fm C:\\FM_Backup Move *.backup.book C:\\FM_Backup pause Del *.log pause Exit 2. Save the file as FM_backup.bat or any other name as long as it has a BAT extension. 3. Create a backup folder on your C drive called FM_Backup. You can name this folder anything as long as it matches the folder name in the BAT file. 4. Copy or move the BAT file into the same folder as your working FrameMaker files. IMPORTANT: You must insert a separate copy of the BAT file into every folder that contains your FrameMaker files. 5. To run, double-click FM_backup.bat. The pauses stop the program to provide feedback as it moves the files. 6. Don't forget to delete the backup files when they are no longer needed, as the backup folder gets bloated quickly. I especially like using this when I save different versions of an ongoing project. When I open a folder containing an earlier version, I only see the project files. The code uses the simple DOS commands move, delete, pause, and exit. It doesn't save multiple versions of backups or work from any location except where the FM files are stored, but you could get fancy if you're inspired to take this to another level. Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. Work: 281-293-1819 amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
What you wrote is conceptually similar to what I do, except that I don't put the backup files into a single location on my disk drive. As I described earlier, each document's main directory has a subdir just below where I am working, so it always puts the backup files only there. Hence the backed up files from different documents are always separated and easy to retrieve. Plus, with my copy all approach (see below), using a single location would cause common file names to cause content to be trashed. I do keep the BAT command file itself in a single location though - it is easily accessed from my DOS path as needed. Here is my BAT command file. I use copy with the /Y option to overwrite. In it, I copy all the files - not just the FrameMaker ones - since there are other files there too (for example, .ini files from tools that are used within FrameMaker): copy/y *.* .\Archive\ del *.backup.* *.log *.tps *.tpdf *.bak This gives me a clean working environment for each editing session. Then, when I am done releasing a particular document, I run another BAT file finally that does the following: rmdir/s .\Archive\ The /S option is to delete subdirectories. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharp, Amy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:20 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups I like having backups available in case of crashes or other emergencies, so I don't want to turn them off. As it's also my habit to save different versions of an active FrameMaker project in different folders, backups are only required for those emergencies. That makes a lot of clutter in the folder for my FM files, and there are times I need to see my files without the clutter. Deleting or moving backups is not easy if you have lots of files; you can reorder the files any way you like but the backups stay glued to their parent FM files. To get rid of the backups temporarily, I wrote an old-fashioned batch (BAT) file that moves backup files to a folder on my C: drive (FM_Backup) and then deletes the log file. It takes only a few seconds to run, and leaves a pristine view of the FM files. IMPORTANT: This only works when FrameMaker is closed because FM automatically regenerates backup files as soon as you touch an open file. The code I use is below. You can modify it to delete the files instead of moving them, change the backup folder name, get rid of the log deletion, whatever you'd like. 1. In Notepad or another text editor, copy the following lines: Move *.backup.fm C:\\FM_Backup Move *.backup.book C:\\FM_Backup pause Del *.log pause Exit 2. Save the file as FM_backup.bat or any other name as long as it has a BAT extension. 3. Create a backup folder on your C drive called FM_Backup. You can name this folder anything as long as it matches the folder name in the BAT file. 4. Copy or move the BAT file into the same folder as your working FrameMaker files. IMPORTANT: You must insert a separate copy of the BAT file into every folder that contains your FrameMaker files. 5. To run, double-click FM_backup.bat. The pauses stop the program to provide feedback as it moves the files. 6. Don't forget to delete the backup files when they are no longer needed, as the backup folder gets bloated quickly. I especially like using this when I save different versions of an ongoing project. When I open a folder containing an earlier version, I only see the project files. The code uses the simple DOS commands move, delete, pause, and exit. It doesn't save multiple versions of backups or work from any location except where the FM files are stored, but you could get fancy if you're inspired to take this to another level. Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. Work: 281-293-1819 amy.sh...@cop.commailto:amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups
I have stopped saving multiple backups on my system and instead keep all active work in a Dropbox folder. Active files are automatically backed up online and to my laptop, and all saved versions of a file are available for 30 days from the Dropbox site. No more clutter! David Boss Communications www.bosscommunications.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
Hi Amy, I have been messing around with your batch file idea but I am having an issue with it. I want to create a batch file to copy all files in the current directory EXCEPT for the actual batch file, and no matter what I do using the copy command it simply does not work. So, do you know how I can exclude the .bat file when copying files? Thanks in advance, Jaime From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharp, Amy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:20 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups I like having backups available in case of crashes or other emergencies, so I don't want to turn them off. As it's also my habit to save different versions of an active FrameMaker project in different folders, backups are only required for those emergencies. That makes a lot of clutter in the folder for my FM files, and there are times I need to see my files without the clutter. Deleting or moving backups is not easy if you have lots of files; you can reorder the files any way you like but the backups stay glued to their parent FM files. To get rid of the backups temporarily, I wrote an old-fashioned batch (BAT) file that moves backup files to a folder on my C: drive (FM_Backup) and then deletes the log file. It takes only a few seconds to run, and leaves a pristine view of the FM files. IMPORTANT: This only works when FrameMaker is closed because FM automatically regenerates backup files as soon as you touch an open file. The code I use is below. You can modify it to delete the files instead of moving them, change the backup folder name, get rid of the log deletion, whatever you'd like. 1. In Notepad or another text editor, copy the following lines: Move *.backup.fm C:\\FM_Backup Move *.backup.book C:\\FM_Backup pause Del *.log pause Exit 2. Save the file as FM_backup.bat or any other name as long as it has a BAT extension. 3. Create a backup folder on your C drive called FM_Backup. You can name this folder anything as long as it matches the folder name in the BAT file. 4. Copy or move the BAT file into the same folder as your working FrameMaker files. IMPORTANT: You must insert a separate copy of the BAT file into every folder that contains your FrameMaker files. 5. To run, double-click FM_backup.bat. The pauses stop the program to provide feedback as it moves the files. 6. Don't forget to delete the backup files when they are no longer needed, as the backup folder gets bloated quickly. I especially like using this when I save different versions of an ongoing project. When I open a folder containing an earlier version, I only see the project files. The code uses the simple DOS commands move, delete, pause, and exit. It doesn't save multiple versions of backups or work from any location except where the FM files are stored, but you could get fancy if you're inspired to take this to another level. Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. Work: 281-293-1819 amy.sh...@cop.commailto:amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups
Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files are _still_ entirely resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted in the DropBox folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, when not connected on-line on the Internet. In essence, it just is another folder on your drive that is treated _like_ a separate top-level drive/folder, even though it really isn't! This is a convenient approach though. The Dropbox client on your computer/laptop/phone then performs an effective replication of the files within that folder when they are changed, to the DropBox cloud storage systems so that you can access them from elsewhere on the Internet or private network - on other computers and smart phones. Which also, by the way, keeps _duplicate_ copies of the files on _all_ your synced Dropbox systems too! Can be a good backup system if you have enough space, I suppose! :) Also, as far as I know, Microsoft's OneDrive (formerly SkyDrive) and Dropbox operate the same way. They are basically automatically sync my folder and its files into the cloud storage mechanisms. However, Google Drive _can_ be set up to be in-the-cloud-only storage that keeps things off your drive, although it has the same sync'ing folders method available as an option. Makes it more complex to use in the only-in-cloude mode though - you have to manually load the files and delete them if you want. Not automatic folder sync'ing like OneDrive or DropBox. Amazon Cloud Drive is one that primarily (perhaps only?) keeps the files in the cloud on their systems. WIth 5GB free storage if you have one of their Kindle Fire readers. This is also a manual load of the files approach ... I have not looked to see if they have any automatic folder/file sync option, but I doubt it. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Boss Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 10:55 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups I have stopped saving multiple backups on my system and instead keep all active work in a Dropbox folder. Active files are automatically backed up online and to my laptop, and all saved versions of a file are available for 30 days from the Dropbox site. No more clutter! David Boss Communications www.bosscommunications.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[EXTERNAL]RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
Syed, Good stuff. This is why it's so nice to have a little DOS in your pocket so you can customize it for the way you work. Jaime, Are you copying *.*? That copies everything. I don't know of an exclusionary command with copy, but it may exist-I'm not an expert, I just troll the web until I find what I need. ;-) For now, to copy everything except *.bat, you would need to specify only the file types to be copied, as in *.fm, *.backup.fm, *.backup.book, *.log, etc. For example: Copy *.backup.fm *.backup.book *.log *.pdf .\ProjectBackup\ Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. MO1050 Work: 281-293-1819 Mobile: 713-724-8485 amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [EXTERNAL]RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
Hi Amy, Yes, sorry, I tried the *.* option to copy all files, and as I mentioned it copies ALL files including the .bat file. If I limit it to finding only the types of files I want to copy then it works, in my case*.xml. But it is rather limiting in the case that I had, say, 10 different file types I would have liked. Anyway, I'll keep playing with it. Thanks, Jaime From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sharp, Amy Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:34 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [EXTERNAL]RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups Syed, Good stuff. This is why it's so nice to have a little DOS in your pocket so you can customize it for the way you work. Jaime, Are you copying *.*? That copies everything. I don't know of an exclusionary command with copy, but it may exist-I'm not an expert, I just troll the web until I find what I need. ;-) For now, to copy everything except *.bat, you would need to specify only the file types to be copied, as in *.fm, *.backup.fm, *.backup.book, *.log, etc. For example: Copy *.backup.fm *.backup.book *.log *.pdf .\ProjectBackup\ Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. MO1050 Work: 281-293-1819 Mobile: 713-724-8485 amy.sh...@cop.commailto:amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups
Yup, the synced desktop/laptop/online copies is exactly what I want. Dropbox just increased the space to 1TB for the paid version, which is more than enough for my active files. Didn't mention that I also use it to transfer files to others. And can access it from my phone and tablet. More than worth the $100 a year. David Boss Communications / Boss Photographic www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com Phone 416-704-1839 / Mississauga ON Syed Zaeem Hosain said Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files are _still_ entirely resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted in the DropBox folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, when not connected on-line on the Internet. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups
Hi Jamie, You could also add a couple of lines to the script: cd to the drive you copy to, and from there del the .bat file. Cheers, Bodvar On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Jaime Zuniga jzun...@protranslating.com wrote: Hi Amy, I have been messing around with your batch file idea but I am having an issue with it. I want to create a batch file to copy all files in the current directory EXCEPT for the actual batch file, and no matter what I do using the copy command it simply does not work. So, do you know how I can exclude the .bat file when copying files? Thanks in advance, Jaime *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Sharp, Amy *Sent:* Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:20 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker--getting rid of backups I like having backups available in case of crashes or other emergencies, so I don’t want to turn them off. As it’s also my habit to save different “versions” of an active FrameMaker project in different folders, backups are only required for those emergencies. That makes a lot of clutter in the folder for my FM files, and there are times I need to see my files without the clutter. Deleting or moving backups is not easy if you have lots of files; you can reorder the files any way you like but the backups stay glued to their parent FM files. To get rid of the backups temporarily, I wrote an old-fashioned batch (BAT) file that moves backup files to a folder on my C: drive (FM_Backup) and then deletes the log file. It takes only a few seconds to run, and leaves a pristine view of the FM files. IMPORTANT: This only works when FrameMaker is closed because FM automatically regenerates backup files as soon as you touch an open file. The code I use is below. You can modify it to delete the files instead of moving them, change the backup folder name, get rid of the log deletion, whatever you’d like. 1. In Notepad or another text editor, copy the following lines: Move *.backup.fm C:\\FM_Backup Move *.backup.book C:\\FM_Backup pause Del *.log pause Exit 2. Save the file as “FM_backup.bat” or any other name as long as it has a BAT extension. 3. Create a backup folder on your C drive called “FM_Backup.” You can name this folder anything as long as it matches the folder name in the BAT file. 4. Copy or move the BAT file into the same folder as your working FrameMaker files. IMPORTANT: You must insert a separate copy of the BAT file into every folder that contains your FrameMaker files. 5. To run, double-click “FM_backup.bat.” The pauses stop the program to provide feedback as it moves the files. 6. Don’t forget to delete the backup files when they are no longer needed, as the backup folder gets bloated quickly. I especially like using this when I save different “versions” of an ongoing project. When I open a folder containing an earlier version, I only see the project files. The code uses the simple DOS commands move, delete, pause, and exit. It doesn’t save multiple versions of backups or work from any location except where the FM files are stored, but you could get fancy if you’re inspired to take this to another level. *Amy Sharp* Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. Work: 281-293-1819 amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups
Got it! Definitely works well for you then. I am still on the freebie plans for DropBox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive for now (combined storage is about 60 GB) for my file-sharing needs. FWIW, I have stayed off the larger-capacity, paid storage plans because I ended up getting a RAID-1 NAS server at home for the five systems that I back up regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect for my Lenovo). Z -Original Message- From: David Boss [mailto:bossc...@rogers.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:27 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups Yup, the synced desktop/laptop/online copies is exactly what I want. Dropbox just increased the space to 1TB for the paid version, which is more than enough for my active files. Didn't mention that I also use it to transfer files to others. And can access it from my phone and tablet. More than worth the $100 a year. David Boss Communications / Boss Photographic www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com Phone 416-704-1839 / Mississauga ON Syed Zaeem Hosain said Hmmm ... your Dropbox folder and its contained files are _still_ entirely resident on your hard-drive too (till they are deleted in the DropBox folder)! This is how they allow off-line work as well, when not connected on-line on the Internet. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups
That's a fireproof NAS server? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Got it! Definitely works well for you then. I am still on the freebie plans for DropBox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive for now (combined storage is about 60 GB) for my file-sharing needs. FWIW, I have stayed off the larger-capacity, paid storage plans because I ended up getting a RAID-1 NAS server at home for the five systems that I back up regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect for my Lenovo). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups
Nope - not fireproof. I periodically back up the entire NAS server to another one at work (12 miles away). Only thing that could go wrong is an earthquake completely destroying both work and home - in which case, I would likely be dead too and not care too much! :) Z -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:49 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups That's a fireproof NAS server? On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Got it! Definitely works well for you then. I am still on the freebie plans for DropBox, Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive for now (combined storage is about 60 GB) for my file-sharing needs. FWIW, I have stayed off the larger-capacity, paid storage plans because I ended up getting a RAID-1 NAS server at home for the five systems that I back up regularly. Fully automated (Time Machine for four Mac's and ShadowProtect for my Lenovo). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker
I do not use the backup feature in FM. Howerver, I have set Automatic save every 5 minutes. And If I'm experimenting, i first save the document and then do the experiment. In addition I have a backup system running every day to be able to retrieve older versions in case of an accident. For the first half year or so using a new version of FM i have set the time to 3 min ... Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker
Yes, I usually save myself using .backups files once every couple of months, like you describe Winfried! They do clutter the directory, but it's worth it in my view :) David Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:09:13 + From: Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp Message-ID: f0bb99a33bce0b4fbff4a6483fec6a800eb19...@003fch1mpn2-002.003f.mgd2.msft.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I need the backup files now and then. Sometimes (once a year) I do something, save, close the file, and then I notice that I made a mistake. Without the backup I could not undo the mistake. Or very rarely FrameMaker starts to have problems with a file after a certain operation. Therefore I always have the automatic backup enabled! If you think that you do not need it, you can disable it. I think it's just an additional safety measure. Best regards Winfried *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys Limited, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. Invensys Limited is owned by the Schneider-Electric Group. You may contact Invensys Limited on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
Hi, I need the backup files now and then. Sometimes (once a year) I do something, save, close the file, and then I notice that I made a mistake. Without the backup I could not undo the mistake. Or very rarely FrameMaker starts to have problems with a file after a certain operation. Therefore I always have the automatic backup enabled! If you think that you do not need it, you can disable it. I think it's just an additional safety measure. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:33 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
I have turned off the backup feature since FM9. I am on FM12 now. I have never had reason to regret that decision. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
Okay ... :) I don't really need them anymore but just like the idea of keeping them too (per my belts and suspenders approach) ... they have not hurt me in any way that I know of. For what it is worth, storage is cheap today ... so I simply copy them off into a subdir and delete them before I start working. Z -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:33 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
Robert and you are on the same page. ☺ Since I don’t really use them for anything either, I suppose I could also turn this off too … it is just more of my belts and suspenders belief coming through, I suspect! Z From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:39 AM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp I have turned off the backup feature since FM9. I am on FM12 now. I have never had reason to regret that decision. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- [http://www.actifio.com/assets/sig_logo.png]http://www.actifio.com/ John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocshttp://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/twitter1.png]http://twitter.com/actifio [http://www.actifio.com/assets/linkedin1.png] http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/googleplus.png] https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts [http://www.actifio.com/assets/youtube1.png] http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio [http://www.actifio.com/assets/rss1.png] http://www.actifio.com/ Radically simple copy data management . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
One of the least awkward ways to work with FrameMaker files and backups is probably to use revision control software like SVN or git. I keep backups disabled in FrameMaker because I know that every commit of changes to my files is backed up and reverting is easy. This has worked wonders for us and I think it’s the way to go for a modern solution. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: September-05-14 2:42 PM To: John Sgammato; Robert Lauriston Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp Robert and you are on the same page. ☺ Since I don’t really use them for anything either, I suppose I could also turn this off too … it is just more of my belts and suspenders belief coming through, I suspect! Z From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:39 AM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp I have turned off the backup feature since FM9. I am on FM12 now. I have never had reason to regret that decision. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.commailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote: The .backup files were essential before 7.2 added undo, but since then they have seemed to me to cause more trouble than they avoid. I can't recall having had a problem where they would have been useful. It seems like a legacy feature. On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: FWIW, I don’t like/use the idea of disabling the automatic backup feature within FrameMaker as mentioned by Robert Lauriston – even though my editing session work-flow does not strictly need them anymore. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- [http://www.actifio.com/assets/sig_logo.png]http://www.actifio.com/ John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.commailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocshttp://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/twitter1.png]http://twitter.com/actifio [http://www.actifio.com/assets/linkedin1.png] http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/googleplus.png] https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts [http://www.actifio.com/assets/youtube1.png] http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio [http://www.actifio.com/assets/rss1.png] http://www.actifio.com/ Radically simple copy data management . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: My work-flow for dealing with backups from FrameMaker sessions ... Was: RE: Best practices for converting FM to Robohelp
Adam Hollett said: Ø One of the least awkward ways to work with FrameMaker files and backups is probably to use revision control software like SVN or git. I keep backups disabled in FrameMaker because I know that every commit of changes to my files is backed up and reverting is easy. Ø This has worked wonders for us and I think it’s the way to go for a modern solution. Agreed! Our software team uses Git (at Atlassian’s Bitbucket site) – having migrated from sccs and SVN over the years – and I am just getting myself up to speed on Git for another reason. I chose to use one of my FrameMaker documents (using Bitbucket rather than Github since I can get private repositories cheaply) to get my learning done and plan to do this for all my documents, rather than the current simplistic way I use directory trees for version control. Although I may still use my current subdirectory approach for each editing session … I may be wrong, but the Git “store everything on every commit” (rather than differences as in sccs or SVN) may be overdone, because it appears to creates a copy of the entire tree on each commit rather than a single subdirectory in my simple approach. I’d love to hear more comments on, and experience with, Git too – was my purpose for spinning this off into its own thread rather than interfere with the original thread. FWIW, I am very old-school … I used to use sccs on our Sun systems, changed to RCS, and abandoned both when I came over to Windows for my documents. So, now I need to get back to better ways of doing things. ☺ Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
