Calling Klaus Daube... :)
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From: Harding, Dan
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer
gefingerpoken und mittengrabben
We avoid this issue by naming books after their functional scope:
'Widget' Installation
'Widget' Operation
'Widget' Administration
(etc)
The thinking being (a) we avoid this whole thread, (b) we don't have to superfluous terms like "manual" or "guide" that state the obvious,and (c) end users
Or get away from the whole conundrum entirely.
Calling the hardware in question a “widget”, for the moment:
Widget Instruction Manual
Widget Reference Manual
Guide to Using Widgets
Widget How-To Guide
Widgets 101
Widgets and You
1001 Uses for Widgets
Widgetology
Everything You Always Wanted to
9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und
poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
David Davis said:
In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so
you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
English prefers to leave a space.
Indeed! :)
Reminds me of the time I
...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: March 16, 2015 9:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das computermachine ist nicht fuer gefingerpoken
und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen
, 2015 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
Lea Rush
Software and Documentation Specialist
Astoria-Pacific
www.astoria-pacific.com
P: 800-536-3111, +1-503-657-3010
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That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken
from Adlerian psychology, and is rather lovely. It means, as best I know,
Thanks for your quick, and often humorous responses. (It's Monday and
laughter-inducing answers are always welcomed!) We are going to go with User
Manual for brevity and translation considerations. This group rocks!
On Monday, March 16, 2015 4:51 AM, Davis, David
David Davis said:
In German they get around this kind of thing by making compound nouns, so
you'd have the equivalent of Usermanual (Benutzerhandbuch...?), but
English prefers to leave a space.
Indeed! :)
Reminds me of the time I was helping a fraternity brother (fluent German
speaker)
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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:19 AM
To: Craig, Alison; hessiansx4; Framers
Subject: Re: User's manual vs. User manual
We use User's Manual. User's Manual is the manual for the User. How do explain
the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't it missing
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Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
That's some of the most impressive pseudogerman I've ever seen. Kudos! :D
We are getting truly off topic, but my favorite German compound is
'Gemeinschaftsgefül' (if I have spelled it correctly). It's a real word, taken
from
We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How
do explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't
it missing the "apostrophe s"?
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Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 14-Mar-15 1:44 AM, Craig,
We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How
do explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't
it missing the "apostrophe s"?
--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 14-Mar-15 1:44 AM, Craig,
Applying the Google Popularity Test (yeah, I know) gives:
User Manual: 223 million hits
User's Manual: 19.7 million hits
It would seem therefore that the former is 11.3197 times more usual ;-)
--
Steve [Trim e-mails: use less disk, use less power, use less planet: PLEASE!]
User, in this case, is a limiting adjective, like butterfly in butterfly
migration.
I prefer that to the possessive adjective User's.
In my mind, one is limiting the scope of the manual not identifying its
possessor.
Craig
Without getting into a grammar argument best left to a staff meeting where
everyone has had too much coffee, I would agree with Andrew on the Best
Practice way to name manuals/books -- that's my preference too.
But disagree with him on the nouns -- I think all those he listed are or
could
“User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns; adjectives—and articles, if you
have a more traditional view of the Parts of Speech—modify nouns.
Ergo … è User’s Manual, User’s Guide, user’s mannerisms, user’s fork, user’s
eraser, user’s banana, etc. Of course, one could choose “Usage Manual”, or
VLM Tech Subs [techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] wrote:
“User” is a noun. Nouns do not modify nouns
Dish soap, car wash, road work, bicycle chain, buggy whip, winter coat, tree
branch, dog collar, reference manual
My own preference is to name the thing for WHAT it is rather than FOR
Same here!
Z
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:44 PM
To: hessiansx4; Framers
Subject: RE: User's manual vs. User manual
Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.
I find
At 12:44 p.m. 14/03/2015, Craig, Alison wrote:
Personally, Iâve always preferred User Manual.
I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.
I agree. If you use the possessive version, is it going to be User's Manual
or Users' Manual ? Too messy.
Helen
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Personally, I’ve always preferred User Manual.
I find the other option awkward to say as well as awkward looking.
Alison
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