Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker
On 28 Apr 2006, at 13:54, David Creamer wrote: That being said, with older page-layout programs (Frame, Quark, etc.), I would stick with EPS for most vector art. So I would save an Illustrator file as an EPS. An old trick to improve the preview is to make the vector graphic larger than necessary, then reduce in the layout program. Since it is vector, the file size should not grow proportionally. For a spot of Friday afternoon FM trivia, NeXT FrameMaker can import native AI files. Modern apps such as InDesign and Apple's Pages use the actual vector data in imported EPS files for display, so graphics look beautiful onscreen. I was going to add that Mac OS X's Quartz text smoothing makes Windows ClearType technology look like I've put my Dad's glasses on by mistake, but I won't. But then, Adobe's major apps use Adobe's CoolType, which gets around the issue for those serious about type. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote: But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. Hi Guy I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From memory, what we found was that: . My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds . Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely call 'visual artifacts' . The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with the revision of Visio in use . The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as .eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker. Two caveats: . This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be different. . Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
We also use a lot of Visio drawings, but do not yet have Visio 2003 so can not comment on any improvement (or lack thereof) for exporting to other file types. Our highest quality comes when we print Visio to press-ready PDFs, then open in Acrobat, crop as needed, and save as EPS. The only downside of this is that PDF converts the font names so that you can run into font trouble if you open the EPS in Illustrator to try to clean anything up. -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Steve Rickaby wrote: At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote: But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. Hi Guy I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From memory, what we found was that: . My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds . Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely call 'visual artifacts' . The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with the revision of Visio in use . The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as .eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker. Two caveats: . This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be different. . Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guy K. Haas Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio objects to show UML and the like. While there are not very many, I WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs. I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker document. I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger). But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. --TIA, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
For what it's worth, I haven't had any troubles either embedding Visio objects and I've done it numerous times in several books. Nicole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
This is not a problem. I have Visio 2003 (SP2) and it allows me to export as tif, gif, png. You can check to see if the quality is a problem, but you don't have to do that at all, really. You can import the vsd file as an object into FrameMaker. Click File Import Object. In the Insert Object dialog, Select Create from File. Browse to the vsd file , check the Link check box (if you want it to update dynamically and then Click OK. I have Frame 7.2. When I right-click on the Visio object, the bottom of the right-click menu has a choice called Linked Visio Object and the two sub menu items are Edit and Open. If I double-click the embedded Visio object it opens it in Visio. Jim Light -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:45 AM To: framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? At 08:31 -0700 27/4/06, Guy K. Haas wrote: But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. Hi Guy I went through some real pain on this a couple of years ago. From memory, what we found was that: . My understanding is that FrameMaker cannot embed .vsds . Most of the export filers in Visio produced what one could politely call 'visual artifacts' . The specific deficiencies of the various export filters varied with the revision of Visio in use . The 'best' (used in a very relative sense) option was to export from Visio as .emf, import .emf into Illustrator, touch up there, export as .eps from Illustrator, and import the .eps into FrameMaker. Two caveats: . This was all on the Mac, and the situation on PC FrameMaker may be different. . Things may have improved in the interim (although I'm not hopeful) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jlight%40pillardata. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as EPS in Acrobat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guy K. Haas Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio objects to show UML and the like. While there are not very many, I WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs. I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker document. I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger). But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. --TIA, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neil.tubb%40solacesy stems.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
It depends on the version of Acrobat. In older versions you had to use the FileExport command to turn a PDF into an EPS. In Acrobat 7.0, you do it right from the Save As dialog. Just be sure you click the Settings button right below the Save as type list box so that you can properly configure the conversion. In particular, remember to choose a preview image, or else the EPS will always display in FrameMaker as a gray box. FrameMaker cannot render EPS directly and relies on the low-res raster preview image for on-screen display--the one big disadvantage of EPS. Using PDF images directly in FrameMaker (either pasted or referenced) used to cause some serious problems, but as far as I know works fine in all 7.x versions. The advantage of PDF is that the on-screen display is much better than the corresponding EPS. In our group we use EPS because that is a native file format for Illustrator. Illustrator can have problems with certain PDF file format versions and may not be able to successfully open and edit any given PDF file. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Tubb Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as EPS in Acrobat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guy K. Haas Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio objects to show UML and the like. While there are not very many, I WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs. I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker document. I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger). But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. --TIA, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?
Neil, Frame turns all images into EPS (even PDF) when it rips them. Therefore, if you have many images, you might run into performance issues if using formats other than EPS. -bob __ Robert Kern President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc. 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4 Carrboro, NC 27510 www.technicalpublishing.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 919-933-2629 phone 919-338-2899 fax Neil Tubb wrote: I find it interesting that a few of you are saving your illustrations as EPS instead of leaving them as PDF and importing that into Frame. Is there an advantage to using EPS? I didn't even know you could save as EPS in Acrobat. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Linda G. Gallagher Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? Guy, I know that folks will likely tell you that it's not the recommended way, but I have embedded Visio objects into a couple of FM books successfully. I learned about it from another list member (John, are you out there?), and it has been fine. Other than that, the recommended procedure is clumsy at best: create a PDF from Visio, crop it, save as .eps, import into FM (think I'm remembering that right). Ugly if you expect change to the Visio drawings as I did. ~~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC Intelligent technical communication since 1993 Technical writing, help development, FrameMaker and WebWorks Publisher conversions [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 800-500-3144 ~~ Manager, Consulting and Independent Contracting Special Interest Group Society for Technical Communication http://www.stcsig.org/cic/index.html ~~ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Guy K. Haas Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:32 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)? My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio objects to show UML and the like. While there are not very many, I WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs. I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker document. I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger). But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options. The most desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, and .svg[z]. My guess would be .svg because it's vector. Any guidance on 1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects 2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file. --TIA, Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neil.tubb%40solacesy stems.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bob%40technicalpublishing.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
