RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Deirdre, The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text will show up in the TOC. HTH, Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 AM To: Framer's List Subject: adding user variables to the TOC Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Thanks, Clint. The user variable is in the footer on the master page. It's not showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables. Deirdre On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre, The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text will show up in the TOC. HTH, Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 AM To: Framer's List Subject: adding user variables to the TOC Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Deirdre Reagan wrote: I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. -FR__ EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Yes, that makes a difference. I think it could be done, but it wouldn't be as easy as I assumed. Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: Deirdre Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:57 AM To: Owen, Clint Cc: Framer's List Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC Thanks, Clint. The user variable is in the footer on the master page. It's not showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables. Deirdre On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre, The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text will show up in the TOC. HTH, Clint Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425-743-8674 | F: +1 425-743-8113 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:44 AM To: Framer's List Subject: adding user variables to the TOC Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40crane ae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Hi Deidre, The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag. However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master pages. Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you achieve what you're after. Paul On 16 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Deirdre Reagan wrote: Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pfindon %40infopage.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Hi Deirdre If you need to have the variable available in the TOC so you can use it there (as opposed to creating a link or cross reference to it), have you tried importing the variables from the document where it is used to the TOC? It sounds like it may have created in an individual document and one or more files (eg., the TOC) don't have that variable in the master list. Blessings Jerilynne On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Clint. The user variable is in the footer on the master page. It's not showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the paragraphs you can select for the TOC. You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer. Fred Ridder wrote: Deirdre Reagan wrote: I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. -FR__ EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master page. Art On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such, the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with it. Here's the 411: We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page. The chapter title is Component Name. My lead writer wants the TOC to read XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called XX-XX-XX Component Name. I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't show up. But of course we then run the risk of having another user delete it by accident. Thanks again for all the information! Deirdre On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master page. Art On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters? Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference page with the variable (and a space as necessary). It is not a building block you can extract automatically from the other files, but simply insert the variable itself in the text of the 'prototype' paragraph on the reference page. But if the variable value changes in different chapters, the only way to automate this is to have is appear somehow in the content of those files (via a special paragraph format) which can then be pulled in the TOC whenever you regenerate it. On Monday, June 16, 2008 12:16, Deirdre Reagan wrote: | Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the | user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such, | the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with | it. | | Here's the 411: | | We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page. The | chapter title is Component Name. My lead writer wants the TOC to read | XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called | XX-XX-XX Component Name. | | I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last | paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't | show up. But of course we then run the risk of having another user | delete it by accident. | | Thanks again for all the information! | | Deirdre | | On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By | definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because | it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it | doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master | page. | | Art | | On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hi all: | | I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course | using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have | recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. | | I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a | user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is | it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were | building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went | to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add | it there either. | | Thanks! | | Deirdre | | -- | Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent | and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson | No disclaimers apply. | DoD 358 - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
It's true that the tag shows up in the list if it's in the catalog. But in my quick test, adding it to the include list produces no result because only the body page frames are searched when you generate/update the TOC. I put instances of the same para tag in the header and in the body, and when I add it to the TOC setuy and generate, I only see the instance that's on a body page. This makes sense if you think about it, because the frames on the master pages are background frames that may appear on multiple body pages. How can FrameMaker make a meaningful TOC entry for something that appears on multiple pages? And it also makes sense to not provide direct access to user variables, because the values of user variables are defined on a file-by-file basis. If a user variable with the same name has different values in different chapters (as appears to be the case here unless Deirdre is actually dealing with lots of differently named variables), which value is the TOC file supposed to use? -FR__ EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:05:54 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the paragraphs you can select for the TOC. You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer. Fred Ridder wrote: Deirdre Reagan wrote: I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. -FR__EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED]Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include $paranum in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC. P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer text to the TOC. Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such, the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with it. Here's the 411: We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page. The chapter title is Component Name. My lead writer wants the TOC to read XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called XX-XX-XX Component Name. I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't show up. But of course we then run the risk of having another user delete it by accident. Thanks again for all the information! Deirdre On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master page. Art On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does anyone else on this list write an AMM?) Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a repair chapter. So our TOC will be Class Divider Description Class Divider Installation Class Divider Repair Overhead Bin Description Overhead Bin Installation Overhead Bin Repair Lavatory Description Lavatory Installation Lavatory Repair What we want the TOC to look like is this: 25-23-01 Class Divider Description 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair 25-41-01 Lavatory Description 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it. You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't change within each component's related chapters. It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within the chapter and change the text to white. Thanks all! On 6/16/08, Jim Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include $paranum in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC. P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer text to the TOC. Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thanks everyone for all the responses. We are attempting to use the user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title. As such, the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with it. Here's the 411: We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page. The chapter title is Component Name. My lead writer wants the TOC to read XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called XX-XX-XX Component Name. I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't show up. But of course we then run the risk of having another user delete it by accident. Thanks again for all the information! Deirdre On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master page. Art On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all: I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book. A lot of people have recommended that book; I concur. It's a great basic training book. I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there either. Thanks! Deirdre ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does anyone else on this list write an AMM?) Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a repair chapter. So our TOC will be Class Divider Description Class Divider Installation Class Divider Repair Overhead Bin Description Overhead Bin Installation Overhead Bin Repair Lavatory Description Lavatory Installation Lavatory Repair What we want the TOC to look like is this: 25-23-01 Class Divider Description 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair 25-41-01 Lavatory Description 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it. You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't change within each component's related chapters. It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within the chapter and change the text to white. Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide the condition. Might work? -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially denied. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should: If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g. 25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters. Then add the $VOLNUM building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the TOC. On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote: | Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does | anyone else on this list write an AMM?) | | Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory | that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a | repair chapter. | | So our TOC will be | | Class Divider Description | Class Divider Installation | Class Divider Repair | | Overhead Bin Description | Overhead Bin Installation | Overhead Bin Repair | | Lavatory Description | Lavatory Installation | Lavatory Repair | | What we want the TOC to look like is this: | | 25-23-01 Class Divider Description | 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation | 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair | | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair | | 25-41-01 Lavatory Description | 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation | 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair | | But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it. | | You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't | change within each component's related chapters. | | It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within | the chapter and change the text to white. | | Thanks all! - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Hey! Good idea! I will try this. Thanks! Deirdre On 6/16/08, Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deirdre Reagan wrote: Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does anyone else on this list write an AMM?) Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a repair chapter. So our TOC will be Class Divider Description Class Divider Installation Class Divider Repair Overhead Bin Description Overhead Bin Installation Overhead Bin Repair Lavatory Description Lavatory Installation Lavatory Repair What we want the TOC to look like is this: 25-23-01 Class Divider Description 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair 25-41-01 Lavatory Description 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it. You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't change within each component's related chapters. It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within the chapter and change the text to white. Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide the condition. Might work? -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially denied. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
This also sounds like a good idea -- I will try it also and let you all know which works best for my situation. Deirdre On 6/16/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should: If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g. 25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters. Then add the $VOLNUM building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the TOC. On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote: | Thanks everyone! The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does | anyone else on this list write an AMM?) | | Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory | that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a | repair chapter. | | So our TOC will be | | Class Divider Description | Class Divider Installation | Class Divider Repair | | Overhead Bin Description | Overhead Bin Installation | Overhead Bin Repair | | Lavatory Description | Lavatory Installation | Lavatory Repair | | What we want the TOC to look like is this: | | 25-23-01 Class Divider Description | 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation | 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair | | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair | | 25-41-01 Lavatory Description | 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation | 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair | | But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it. | | You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't | change within each component's related chapters. | | It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within | the chapter and change the text to white. | | Thanks all! - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Stuart Rogers suggested: Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide the condition. Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work): Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle paragraph but conditionalize it as TOConly (or some such condition name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book. If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide. -FR __ EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Fred Ridder wrote: Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work): Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle paragraph but conditionalize it as TOConly (or some such condition name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book. If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide. Good point, Fred -- I use conditionals so infrequently (and only in pgf-sized chunks) that I forgot about conditionalizing only a portion of a pgf. I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative space above/below would get around that.) sr -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially denied. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding user variables to the TOC
Responding to my alternative approach, Stuart Rogers wrote (in part): I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative space above/below would get around that.) Actually, you can still use the conditional approach because once you've inserted and conditionalized the variable you can make it arbitrarily small as long as you do it *manually*, as an override (normally a no-no). You need to do it here, though, because if you apply a named character format that changes the size of the font, that formatting is preserved when you generate/update the TOC, screwing up the hyperlinks as well as the appearance. But if you change the size manually (not by applying a style), the new formatting is ignored when the TOC is updated. Since you never need to read the variable in the document, you can make it small in point size and condense it with Stretch so that it takes up almost no room and the TOC still generates normally. -FR ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the $chapnum building block into the TOC specification area before $paratext on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same number, set the Chapter numbering to Use Same Number as Previous Chapter. HTH Regards, Peter __ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding user variables to the TOC
Deirdre, A possible workaround is to create a special paragraph format and put it in the text frame on the body page. Put the variable in it as the only text. Then set the color to white to make it invisible. (You can also set a very small font size for the paragraph to reduce its effect on line spacing.) The TOC will then be able to pick up the paragraph text from the body page. There are a couple of potential problems: 1. Being invisible, there's a chance of accidental deletion. 2. White text on a white page is invisble to the eye, but not to speech synthesizers. So if you have sight-impaired readers of your resultant PDF, they'll hear the variable text pronounced with the other text. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
