Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-22 Thread ETudsbery
Hi Lin,

Thanks very much for this help. 

I created a MIF file with the system variable definitions I required and 
then imported that into different FM books. It worked a dream, as it 
didn't change the user variables defined in the document (which was my 
concern).

thanks again,

Edwin



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Date:
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Subject:
Re: mass update of system variable



If it helps any, I learned to do this from Shlomo. :)

Yes, Edwin will have to open each book to do this, but it's still faster 
than editing one file in each book and importing from there. I don't think 
there's a plugin available that will do any better than that.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com 
wrote:
Hi Lin,
 
I was sure.
 
If you open a MIF snippet to be able to import formats
from it, all variables which are not defined in the MIF snippet
are populatead with the default values. That’s why I never used
it to import formats from it. However, if you do import formats,
it seems that these default values are _not_ imported although
they are there. Strange.
 
If you import the MIF snippet as a file, then you can import it only
into a single file. Of course you can then import variables into
all other files of the book. However, this is not what the poster
wanted.
 
I would make a book with all the files (from all the folders
and subfolders) and use one of the plugin to import a single
variable.
 
Best regards
 
Winfried
 
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: etudsb...@cpaglobal.com; Frame Users

Subject: Re: mass update of system variable
 
Really? I've used a MIF snippet in the last month to update all the 
variables in a book file, and that was in Frame10. 

(ETudsbury, I forgot to say that you have to reopen the MIF file in 
FrameMaker, but I figured you'd know that since the file you're importing 
from has to be open.)
 
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com 
wrote:
Hi,
 
MIF snippets do not work.
You can import the MIF snippet only via import by copy
into a single file. If you would then import the variables
from this file into other files (via import formats), you would
import all variables.
 
I would recommend to check the variable plugins from
Leximation and Silicon Prairie Software:
http://leximation.com/tools/
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/
 
I do not know these plugins. However, I am sure
they would help you.
 
Best regards
 
Winfried
 
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framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:36 PM
To: etudsb...@cpaglobal.com
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable
 
MIF snippet.

1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
2. Save as a MIF file.
3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
5. Save and close the file.
6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF 
snippet.
Let me know if you have questions. :)
Lin
 
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:
Hello, 

I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1 
for hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user 
variables, so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions 
method. 

Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this? 

regards, 

Edwin Tudsbery 

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RE: mass update of system variable

2013-04-22 Thread Craig Ede
If I remember, you have to File  Import  File with MIF snippets. That
means you have to import it one file at a time, doesn't it? (Unlike File 
Import  Formats across a book). This is because you are actually importing
the content into each file (even though it is invisible in a sense).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Craig

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Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all files at
once by creating a scratch book, using Windows' search to find all your .fm
files, and dragging and dropping the found files into the book. Then, in
FrameMaker, select all the files in the book and import the snippet.
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RE: mass update of system variable

2013-04-22 Thread Harro de Jong
Lin Sims wrote:

 My concern with doing that sort of thing was that Edwin said there were 
 hundreds of
 files to be updated. Opening that many either all at once or one by one, as 
 Frame
 does when the files aren't already open, could tie up even the most robust 
 system
 for a long time.

One of my first FrameMaker jobs 15 years ago in Frame 4 on a Sun platform, was 
to update hundreds of files with new variable values. I used the same approach, 
dropping all the files in a single book. It took a while, but it did work. If 
it was possible back then on a system with 100x less memory than you'd have 
available now...

;-)

Harro de Jong
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-22 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

Hi Craig,

According to Lin, you use File  Import  Formats and import variables.

From Lin Sims:
1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
2. Save as a MIF file.
3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
5. Save and close the file.
6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF 
snippet.


Lin: please correct me if I'm understanding incorrectly.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 22-Apr-13 4:01 AM, Craig Ede wrote:

If I remember, you have to File  Import  File with MIF snippets. That
means you have to import it one file at a time, doesn't it? (Unlike File 
Import  Formats across a book). This is because you are actually importing
the content into each file (even though it is invisible in a sense).

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Craig

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To: Ed Tudsbery; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all files at
once by creating a scratch book, using Windows' search to find all your .fm
files, and dragging and dropping the found files into the book. Then, in
FrameMaker, select all the files in the book and import the snippet.
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-22 Thread Lin Sims
Shmuel,

Yes, you understood correctly. That's how Shlomo showed me how to do it. I
took his two FrameMaker template courses a few years ago.

Lin


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Craig,

 According to Lin, you use File  Import  Formats and import variables.

 From Lin Sims:

 1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
 2. Save as a MIF file.
 3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
 4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
 5. Save and close the file.
 6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF
 snippet.

 Lin: please correct me if I'm understanding incorrectly.

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133


 On 22-Apr-13 4:01 AM, Craig Ede wrote:

 If I remember, you have to File  Import  File with MIF snippets. That
 means you have to import it one file at a time, doesn't it? (Unlike File 
 Import  Formats across a book). This is because you are actually
 importing
 the content into each file (even though it is invisible in a sense).

 Correct me if I'm wrong.

 Craig

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 If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all files at
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
If the MIF snippet or some other approach works, you could do all
files at once by creating a scratch book, using Windows' search to
find all your .fm files, and dragging and dropping the found files
into the book. Then, in FrameMaker, select all the files in the book
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Lin Sims
MIF snippet.

1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
2. Save as a MIF file.
3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
5. Save and close the file.
6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF
snippet.

Let me know if you have questions. :)

Lin


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1
 for hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user
 variables, so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions
 method.

 Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this?

 regards,

 Edwin Tudsbery
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RE: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi,

MIF snippets do not work.
You can import the MIF snippet only via import by copy
into a single file. If you would then import the variables
from this file into other files (via import formats), you would
import all variables.

I would recommend to check the variable plugins from
Leximation and Silicon Prairie Software:
http://leximation.com/tools/
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/

I do not know these plugins. However, I am sure
they would help you.

Best regards

Winfried

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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:36 PM
To: etudsb...@cpaglobal.com
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

MIF snippet.

1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
2. Save as a MIF file.
3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
5. Save and close the file.
6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF snippet.
Let me know if you have questions. :)
Lin

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, 
etudsb...@cpaglobal.commailto:etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:
Hello,

I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1 for 
hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user variables, 
so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions method.

Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this?

regards,

Edwin Tudsbery

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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Lin Sims
Really? I've used a MIF snippet in the last month to update all the
variables in a book file, and that was in Frame10.

(ETudsbury, I forgot to say that you have to reopen the MIF file in
FrameMaker, but I figured you'd know that since the file you're importing
from has to be open.)


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.comwrote:

  Hi,



 MIF snippets do not work.

 You can import the MIF snippet only via import by copy

 into a single file. If you would then import the variables

 from this file into other files (via import formats), you would

 import all variables.



 I would recommend to check the variable plugins from

 Leximation and Silicon Prairie Software:

 http://leximation.com/tools/

 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/



 I do not know these plugins. However, I am sure

 they would help you.



 Best regards



 Winfried



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 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lin Sims
 *Sent:* Friday, April 19, 2013 2:36 PM
 *To:* etudsb...@cpaglobal.com
 *Cc:* Frame Users
 *Subject:* Re: mass update of system variable



 MIF snippet.

 1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.

 2. Save as a MIF file.

 3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.

 4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.

 5. Save and close the file.

 6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF
 snippet.

 Let me know if you have questions. :)

 Lin



 On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1
 for hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user
 variables, so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions
 method.

 Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this?

 regards,

 Edwin Tudsbery
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RE: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi Lin,

I was sure.

If you open a MIF snippet to be able to import formats
from it, all variables which are not defined in the MIF snippet
are populatead with the default values. That's why I never used
it to import formats from it. However, if you do import formats,
it seems that these default values are _not_ imported although
they are there. Strange.

If you import the MIF snippet as a file, then you can import it only
into a single file. Of course you can then import variables into
all other files of the book. However, this is not what the poster
wanted.

I would make a book with all the files (from all the folders
and subfolders) and use one of the plugin to import a single
variable.

Best regards

Winfried

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: etudsb...@cpaglobal.com; Frame Users
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

Really? I've used a MIF snippet in the last month to update all the variables 
in a book file, and that was in Frame10.

(ETudsbury, I forgot to say that you have to reopen the MIF file in FrameMaker, 
but I figured you'd know that since the file you're importing from has to be 
open.)

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wr...@tycoint.commailto:wr...@tycoint.com wrote:
Hi,

MIF snippets do not work.
You can import the MIF snippet only via import by copy
into a single file. If you would then import the variables
from this file into other files (via import formats), you would
import all variables.

I would recommend to check the variable plugins from
Leximation and Silicon Prairie Software:
http://leximation.com/tools/
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/

I do not know these plugins. However, I am sure
they would help you.

Best regards

Winfried

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 2:36 PM
To: etudsb...@cpaglobal.commailto:etudsb...@cpaglobal.com
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: mass update of system variable

MIF snippet.

1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.
2. Save as a MIF file.
3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.
4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.
5. Save and close the file.
6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF snippet.
Let me know if you have questions. :)
Lin

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, 
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Hello,

I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1 for 
hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user variables, 
so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions method.

Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this?

regards,

Edwin Tudsbery

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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Lin Sims
If it helps any, I learned to do this from Shlomo. :)

Yes, Edwin will have to open each book to do this, but it's still faster
than editing one file in each book and importing from there. I don't think
there's a plugin available that will do any better than that.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.comwrote:

  Hi Lin,



 I was sure.



 If you open a MIF snippet to be able to import formats

 from it, all variables which are not defined in the MIF snippet

 are populatead with the default values. That’s why I never used

 it to import formats from it. However, if you do import formats,

 it seems that these default values are _*not*_ imported although

 they are there. Strange.



 If you import the MIF snippet as a file, then you can import it only

 into a single file. Of course you can then import variables into

 all other files of the book. However, this is not what the poster

 wanted.



 I would make a book with all the files (from all the folders

 and subfolders) and use one of the plugin to import a single

 variable.



 Best regards



 Winfried



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 *Subject:* Re: mass update of system variable



 Really? I've used a MIF snippet in the last month to update all the
 variables in a book file, and that was in Frame10.

 (ETudsbury, I forgot to say that you have to reopen the MIF file in
 FrameMaker, but I figured you'd know that since the file you're importing
 from has to be open.)



 On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.com
 wrote:

 Hi,



 MIF snippets do not work.

 You can import the MIF snippet only via import by copy

 into a single file. If you would then import the variables

 from this file into other files (via import formats), you would

 import all variables.



 I would recommend to check the variable plugins from

 Leximation and Silicon Prairie Software:

 http://leximation.com/tools/

 http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/



 I do not know these plugins. However, I am sure

 they would help you.



 Best regards



 Winfried



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 MIF snippet.

 1. Open a blank document and edit the variables you want to update.

 2. Save as a MIF file.

 3. Open the MIF file in a TEXT editor.

 4. Delete everything but the code for the variables you want to update.

 5. Save and close the file.

 6. Open the files you want to update and import variables from the MIF
 snippet.

 Let me know if you have questions. :)

 Lin



 On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I'd like to update the definition for the system variable Running H/F1
 for hundreds of FrameMaker 7.2 files. I don't want to update other user
 variables, so I can't use the Import  Formats  Variable definitions
 method.

 Does anyone know of a painless way of doing this?

 regards,

 Edwin Tudsbery
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Matt Sullivan
And I believe if you create a book which contains each of the needed books, you can complete the task with one import.
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Lin Sims
I knew you could put books inside of books, but I haven't tried importing
variables into a book file that contains other book files. I wasn't sure if
Frame would open the document files as well as the book files.

My concern with doing that sort of thing was that Edwin said there were
hundreds of files to be updated. Opening that many either all at once or
one by one, as Frame does when the files aren't already open, could tie up
even the most robust system for a long time.



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 Yes, Edwin will have to open each book to do this, but it's still faster
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RE: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
And BookVars from Leximation (see 
http://leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php) is an excellent tool for the job 
- I maintain all my variables at the book level for consistent use.

As I have also mentioned before, it is the single most used add-on to 
FrameMaker that I have. Highly recommended.

Z

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And I believe if you create a book which contains each of the needed books, you 
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Yes, Edwin will have to open each book to do this, but it's still faster than 
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Re: mass update of system variable

2013-04-19 Thread Tori Muir


  
  
Maybe contact Rick Quatro -- might be a job for his script wizardry.

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On 4/19/13 5:25 AM, etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:
Hello,
  
  
  I'd like to update the definition
for
the system variable "Running H/F1" for hundreds of FrameMaker
7.2 files. I don't want to update other user variables, so I
can't use
the Import  Formats  Variable definitions method. 
  
  
  Does anyone know of a painless
way of
doing this?
  
  
  regards, 
  
  
  Edwin Tudsbery
  
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