RE: Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Craig Ede]

Richard tip is really great, but

The only advantage I see to using the original help method of having
FrameMaker insert one of its self-generated markers is that those markers
have three identifiers to make them reliably unique: A date/time generated
number, the current paratag name and the current contents of the paragraph
(with a limit on total characters, I believe). 

This kind of lengthy Marker Target Id can be useful. There used to be a
problem with duplicate cross reference markers existing in files. When you
linked to either version of the duplicate maker you would get the correct
xref on linking, however when regenerating the file all references to the
two target reverted to the first xref marker target. Maddening! This is
fixed now, at least for FMs self-generated makers because if you copy and
paste a marker within a document, the duplicate marker is dropped in the
paste. 

However, if you create a meaningful marker name in the Marker Text that
just happens to be a duplicate of one already existing in the document you
will find your xrefs going somewhere you didn't expect when you regenerate
or re-open you document. 

For this reason I call the Marker Text for cross references their Marker
Target ID. Maybe Adobe should do the same since this is so critical to
getting the correct resolution of cross references.

As usual, the devil is in the details.

Craig 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:55 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

Richard,

I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text insets,
though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing that it left
out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the help page
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64
A61C4563.html)
and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many.

Mike Wickham

On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
 They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete 
 it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and 
 it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing 
 steps 2 and 3 with:
 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
 cross-reference, go to Special  Marker.

 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text 
 to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker.

 And replacing step 5 with: 

 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special  
 Cross-Reference.

 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set 
 Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you 
 inserted in the text inset.



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Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Craig Ede]

Richard tip is really great, but

The only advantage I see to using the original help method of having
FrameMaker insert one of its self-generated markers is that those markers
have three identifiers to make them reliably unique: A date/time generated
number, the current paratag name and the current contents of the paragraph
(with a limit on total characters, I believe). 

This kind of lengthy Marker Target Id can be useful. There used to be a
problem with duplicate cross reference markers existing in files. When you
linked to either version of the duplicate maker you would get the correct
xref on linking, however when regenerating the file all references to the
two target reverted to the first xref marker target. Maddening! This is
fixed now, at least for FMs self-generated makers because if you copy and
paste a marker within a document, the duplicate marker is dropped in the
paste. 

However, if you create a "meaningful marker name" in the Marker Text that
just happens to be a duplicate of one already existing in the document you
will find your xrefs going somewhere you didn't expect when you regenerate
or re-open you document. 

For this reason I call the Marker Text for cross references their Marker
Target ID. Maybe Adobe should do the same since this is so critical to
getting the correct resolution of cross references.

As usual, the devil is in the details.

Craig 

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Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 4:55 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

Richard,

I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text insets,
though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing that it left
out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the help page
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64
A61C4563.html)
and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many.

Mike Wickham

On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete 
> it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and 
> it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing 
> steps 2 and 3 with:
> 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
> cross-reference, go to Special > Marker.

> 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text 
> to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker.

> And replacing step 5 with: 

> 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special > 
> Cross-Reference.

> 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set 
> Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you 
> inserted in the text inset.



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Re: Searching the archive

[Mike Wickham]

Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in 
text insets. FrameMaker help says this:


==


   Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset

If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the 
cross-reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. 
To prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to 
the paragraph in the text inset's source document.


1.

   Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then
   clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel.

2.

   Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source
   document.

3.

   Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains.

4.

   Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the
   text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit  Update References.

5.

   Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that
   contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the
   updated inset.

==

Mike Wickham

On 6/28/2012 3:35 PM, Jay Mahler wrote:

Thanks Alan and Mike.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I
just couldn't come up with the correct search string.

Here's my issue...

Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
Win 7

I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
within the chapter files.

The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
cross-reference text inserted.

I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
one or more of these issues?

Jay



-Original Message-
From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
To: Jay Mahler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Searching the archive

The archives are here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
that include the word virtualbox):
site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox

This gives something like:
http://bit.ly/KEyxcS

HIH
Alan

On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:

Framers,

I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question
that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to
search old posts or archives. What am I missing?

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Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Combs, Richard]

Mike Wickham wrote:
 
 Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in
 text insets. FrameMaker help says this:
 
 ==
 Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset
 If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross-
 reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To
 prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to
 the paragraph in the text inset's source document.
 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then
 clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel.
 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source
 document.
 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains.
 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the
 text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit  Update References.
 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that
 contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated
 inset.
 ==

They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete it? That's 
a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and it doesn't let you 
create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing steps 2 and 3 with: 

2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
cross-reference, go to Special  Marker. 
3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text to 
something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. 

And replacing step 5 with: 

5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special  
Cross-Reference. 
6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set Source 
Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you inserted in the text 
inset. 


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Re: Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Mike Wickham]

Richard,

I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text 
insets, though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing 
that it left out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the 
help page 
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64A61C4563.html) 
and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many.


Mike Wickham

On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete 
it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and 
it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing 
steps 2 and 3 with:
2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
cross-reference, go to Special  Marker. 


3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text 
to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. 


And replacing step 5 with: 


5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special  
Cross-Reference. 


6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set 
Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you 
inserted in the text inset. 




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Searching the archive

[Mike Wickham]

Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in 
text insets. FrameMaker help says this:

==


Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset

If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the 
cross-reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. 
To prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to 
the paragraph in the text inset's source document.

 1.

Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then
clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel.

 2.

Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source
document.

 3.

Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains.

 4.

Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the
text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit > Update References.

 5.

Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that
contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the
updated inset.

==

Mike Wickham

On 6/28/2012 3:35 PM, Jay Mahler wrote:
> Thanks Alan and Mike.
>
> Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I
> just couldn't come up with the correct search string.
>
> Here's my issue...
>
> Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
> Win 7
>
> I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
> seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
> manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
> heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
> insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
> chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
> in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
> within the chapter files.
>
> The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
> within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
> the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
> where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
> the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
> cross-reference text inserted.
>
> I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
> one or more of these issues?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
> To: Jay Mahler
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Searching the archive
>
> The archives are here:
> http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/
>
> Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
> that include the word virtualbox):
> site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox
>
> This gives something like:
> http://bit.ly/KEyxcS
>
> HIH
> Alan
>
> On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
>> Framers,
>>
>> I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question
>> that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to
>> search old posts or archives. What am I missing?
>>
>> Jay Mahler
>>
>>
>>
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Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Combs, Richard]

Mike Wickham wrote:

> Cross-references need to be handled a little differently when used in
> text insets. FrameMaker help says this:
> 
> ==
> Insert a cross-reference to a paragraph in a text inset
> If you insert a paragraph cross-reference to a text inset, the cross-
> reference marker is sometimes lost when the text inset is updated. To
> prevent the marker from being lost, first insert a cross-reference to
> the paragraph in the text inset's source document.
> 1. Open the source of the inset by double-clicking the inset and then
> clicking Open Source from the Text Inset Properties panel.
> 2. Insert a cross-reference to the paragraph anywhere in the source
> document.
> 3. Delete the cross-reference text. The marker remains.
> 4. Save the source document, and then in the document that contains the
> text inset, update the text inset by choosing Edit > Update References.
> 5. Insert a spot cross-reference, this time in the document that
> contains the inset. The cross-reference uses the marker in the updated
> inset.
> ==

They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete it? That's 
a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and it doesn't let you 
create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing steps 2 and 3 with: 

2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
cross-reference, go to Special > Marker. 
3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text to 
something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. 

And replacing step 5 with: 

5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special > 
Cross-Reference. 
6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set Source 
Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you inserted in the text 
inset. 

Xref to text inset (was RE: Searching the archive)

[Mike Wickham]

Richard,

I agree. That would definitely make things easier. I don't use text 
insets, though, so I just copied the help on it, as is, not realizing 
that it left out important, improved steps. You might want to go to the 
help page 
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS58D703E4-0A1F-4b6e-90BE-5B64A61C4563.html)
 
and tag your corrected sequence onto it. It would benefit many.

Mike Wickham

On 7/6/2012 9:48 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> They tell you to insert a paragraph cross-reference and then delete 
> it? That's a pretty convoluted way to insert a Cross-Ref marker, and 
> it doesn't let you create meaningful marker text. I suggest replacing 
> steps 2 and 3 with:
> 2. With the cursor at the beginning of the paragraph you want to 
> cross-reference, go to Special > Marker. 

> 3. In the Marker dialog, set Marker Type to Cross-Ref and Marker Text 
> to something meaningful that identifies this location. Click New Marker. 

> And replacing step 5 with: 

> 5. In the document that contains the text inset, go to Special > 
> Cross-Reference. 

> 6. In the Cross-Reference dialog, leave Document set to Current, set 
> Source Type to Cross-Reference Markers, and select the marker you 
> inserted in the text inset. 

RE: Searching the archive

[Jay Mahler]

Thanks Alan and Mike.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I
just couldn't come up with the correct search string.

Here's my issue...

Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
Win 7

I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
within the chapter files.

The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
cross-reference text inserted.

I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
one or more of these issues?

Jay



-Original Message-
From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
To: Jay Mahler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Searching the archive

The archives are here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
that include the word virtualbox):
site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox

This gives something like:
http://bit.ly/KEyxcS

HIH
Alan

On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
 Framers,

 I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question 
 that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to 
 search old posts or archives. What am I missing?

 Jay Mahler



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[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi

I suggest you send your reply to the list. :)

Regards
Alan

On 29/06/12 3:16 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
> Thanks Alan. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I
> needed. I guess I just couldn't come up with the correct search string.
>
> Here's my issue...
>
> Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
> Win 7
>
> I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
> seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
> manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
> heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
> insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
> chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
> in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
> within the chapter files.
>
> The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
> within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
> the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
> where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
> the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
> cross-reference text inserted.
>
> I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
> one or more of these issues?
>
> Jay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:alan at alphabyte.co.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
> To: Jay Mahler
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Searching the archive
>
> The archives are here:
> http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/
>
> Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
> that include the word virtualbox):
> site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox
>
> This gives something like:
> http://bit.ly/KEyxcS
>
> HIH
> Alan
>
> On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
>> Framers,
>>
>> I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question
>> that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to
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Re: Searching the archive

[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi

I suggest you send your reply to the list. :)

Regards
Alan

On 29/06/12 3:16 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:

Thanks Alan. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I
needed. I guess I just couldn't come up with the correct search string.

Here's my issue...

Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
Win 7

I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
within the chapter files.

The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
cross-reference text inserted.

I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
one or more of these issues?

Jay

-Original Message-
From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz]
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
To: Jay Mahler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Searching the archive

The archives are here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
that include the word virtualbox):
site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox

This gives something like:
http://bit.ly/KEyxcS

HIH
Alan

On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:

Framers,

I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question
that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to
search old posts or archives. What am I missing?

Jay Mahler



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[Alan T Litchfield]

The archives are here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post 
that include the word virtualbox):
site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox

This gives something like:
http://bit.ly/KEyxcS

HIH
Alan

On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
> Framers,
>
> I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question that
> I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can?t find how to search old
> posts or archives. What am I missing?
>
> Jay Mahler
>
>
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Searching the archive

[Jay Mahler]

Thanks Alan and Mike.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the discussion that I needed. I guess I
just couldn't come up with the correct search string.

Here's my issue...

Using FM10 as part of TCS 3.5
Win 7

I'm creating very large, detailed, programmer-level documentation. It
seems best to include some material in more than one location in the
manual. Of course, I want single-source. Because of the different
heading levels at which the material will appear, it seems best to
insert these snippets as FM files within the two or three relevant
chapters. Just including the snippet files in the book doesn't work well
in this scenario, so I was thinking of using text inserts of FM files
within the chapter files.

The problem that I'm having is setting up cross-references and indexes
within these snippet inserts. I'd also like to use newlink markers in
the snippets and have gotolink markers reference the correct location
where a snippet appears. I'm using gotolink because I want the reader of
the PDF to be able to jump to the reference without having actual
cross-reference text inserted.

I know that I'm asking for a lot here. Does anyone have suggestions for
one or more of these issues?

Jay



-Original Message-
From: Alan T Litchfield [mailto:a...@alphabyte.co.nz] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 PM
To: Jay Mahler
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Searching the archive

The archives are here:
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/

Use Google to search the archives like this (say you want to find post
that include the word virtualbox):
site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers virtualbox

This gives something like:
http://bit.ly/KEyxcS

HIH
Alan

On 28/06/12 6:05 AM, Jay Mahler wrote:
> Framers,
>
> I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question 
> that I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to 
> search old posts or archives. What am I missing?
>
> Jay Mahler
>
>
>
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> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Searching the archive

[Jay Mahler]

Framers,

 

I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question that
I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to search old
posts or archives. What am I missing?

 

Jay Mahler

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Re: Searching the archive

[Mike Wickham]

You can use Google to search the archives. Just follow your search term 
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Examples:
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Save as PDF site:frameusers.com

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[Jay Mahler]

Framers,



I mostly just lurk here, but I need to find an answer to a question that
I know has been discussed. Unfortunately, I can't find how to search old
posts or archives. What am I missing?



Jay Mahler

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[Mike Wickham]

You can use Google to search the archives. Just follow your search term 
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Examples:
DITA site:frameusers.com
"Save as PDF" site:frameusers.com

Mike Wickham