Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. I'd like to see a list of the actual DLLs and registry entries and blah blah that are involved before accepting that Adobe still haven't fixed this. (lol but then again, there are so many corners of FrameMaker that Adobe haven't fixed since they ported it off the NeXT, so who am I trying to kid... ;) ) The standard solution for this kind of issue is to have a virtual machine on which to test your customer experience. If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play away to your hearts content. (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some useful new features in it, see? :) ) Another handy free virtual machine is Oracle's www.virtualbox.org Give one of these a try and never mess up your precious working environment ever again! David Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:45:58 -0800 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Message-ID: b4c122abc82f8744a7e552ca009ba22a1a79e62...@ex-be-019-sfo.shared.themessagecenter.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
At 06:05 -0600 23/1/14, Davis, David wrote: If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play away to your hearts content. (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some useful new features in it, see? :) ) Shock indeed. And for those working on Mac under Parallels or Fusion, virtual machines are a doddle (or so I'm told, and looking forward to finding out). -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. Mike On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote: I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
LOL! Say it isn't so! Dov's saying AREN'T holy writ!!?!? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: January-23-14 9:31 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. Mike On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote: I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Mike, point taken. Dr. Reng said the same thing too. Perhaps ... a different question that may be more interesting: Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat? Because, I have yet to see one of my files pass Acrobat rendering and fail to show in Reader. (In my approach, both programs would use the same available fonts though.) If I stop doing that final check, it would just be a bit simpler final process for me. BTW, with my approach, both programs would still find the same fonts available, so missing fonts is effectively not something I check anyway! I just avoid it by having Acrobat embed the fonts as needed. Z Mike Wickham said: Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
On 1/23/2014 1:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat? I don't normally feel it is necessary. My understanding has always been that Reader is basically the viewing portion of Acrobat. So if it doesn't look right in one, it won't look right in the other. I see Acrobat as Reader, plus a bunch of other features that we have to pay for. I don't know if that's accurate, but it's my impression. Having said that, there are a few times that I've found it necessary to check a file in Reader (on a separate computer). I've never seen any differences in _appearance_ (assuming that I remembered to embed all fonts, which I always do because I have my joboptions set to do so by default), but I have seen problems in functionality. Examples include forms that didn't work in Reader, but did work in Acrobat, because I had some setting wrong. Or the review feature not working-- again, because it wasn't set up right beforehand. So I may check a form in Reader, or a PDF being sent out for review. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
