RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-07 Thread Gust, Dieter
David Wollenberger wrote: 
... I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
beginning of each chapter...

Take a look at our FrameScript Script DocToc also. 
I believe it's the most comprehensive solution for managing FrameMaker Chapter 
TOCs automatically. By the way the script includes a formatting optimization 
for line breaks in TOCs
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-07 Thread Gust, Dieter
David Wollenberger wrote: 
>... I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
>beginning of each chapter...

Take a look at our FrameScript Script DocToc also. 
I believe it's the most comprehensive solution for managing FrameMaker Chapter 
TOCs automatically. By the way the script includes a formatting optimization 
for line breaks in TOCs
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

Regards
Dieter Gust
itl - Institut f?r technische Literatur AG

Tel.: +49 (089) 89 26 23 - 600
mailto:dgust at itl.de  http://www.itl.de 

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Re: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.

But I agree: use only one book file.

There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it to the book file before the chapter. Then you can
decide the numbering from within the book file, whether you have a
separate numbering for the ToC, like Roman numbers or the same as the
chapter, in which case you would set the chapter file to continnue the
numbering from the previous file. In the last case, you will have to
update the ToC to show the new page numbering.

HTH,

Bodvar

On 3/5/06, rebecca officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi David

 For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the big 
 book, not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a 
 while, but found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small 
 books. Also, you have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your 
 single-chapter books, the chapter numbering needs to use read from file and 
 in your big book it needs to be continue numbering from previous file in 
 book. Then in the production process, update the big book first to get the 
 chapter numbers right. And ignore error messages about inconsistent numbering.

 Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
 chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but 
 we have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I 
 can ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.

 Cheers, Rebecca

  Wollenberger, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/03/06 09:52 
 I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
 beginning of each chapter.

 Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
 create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
 the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
 book that contains each of the book files.

 Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
 Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
 says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
 generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
 files. I can open these books from the master book window by
 double-clicking, no errors.

 Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
 inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
 to do this.


 Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
 that it can't be done, that would help also.


 David Wollenberger


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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Frank Harper
David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the 
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with 
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the 
paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are updated just like 
any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special 
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into the 
chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the TOC, 
regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this method 
requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

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Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers (FrameMaker List)' 
Framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
 

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Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


ca

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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi Frank,

That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
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Extn: 220
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:50 PM
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Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab
with a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to
include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are
updated just like any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into
the chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the
TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this
method requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

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Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers
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Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,
 
Shall Close,
 
Regards,
 
David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com
 
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
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Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


ca

Technical Writer 
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Martinek, Carla
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.

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Re: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.

You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
As do we. But we automate the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc were common (but hopefully caught during the review
process!); now they're not an issue.

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We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
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RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Niels Fanøe
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's second method below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

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- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-  On Behalf Of Frank Harper
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- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Wollenberger, David'; 'Framers 
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- Cc: Framers@frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- David,
- 
- There are two methods I have used. 
- 
- First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
- cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
- Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
- the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
- include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
- numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
- 
- The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
- using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
- Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
- point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
- TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
- Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
- prefer the first method.
- 
- Good luck,
- Frank Harper
- 
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- From: davidaflynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
- To: 'Wollenberger, David' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Framers 
- (FrameMaker List)' Framers@frameusers.com
- Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- Hi,
- 
- I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
- contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
- display all 
- H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
- 
- Thank you,
-  
- Shall Close,
-  
- Regards,
-  
- David Flynn
- Technical Writer
- Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
- Extn: 220
- Fiorano Software
- www.fiorano.com
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rs.com] On 
- Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
- Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
- To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
- Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
- 
- I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
- beginning of each chapter.
- 
- Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
- create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
- nothing but 
- the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
- master book that contains each of the book files.
- 
- Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
- attempt to 
- Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
- Searches, 
- FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
- FM says it 
- cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
- non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
- book window 
- by double-clicking, no errors.
- 
- Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
- including the TOC 
- inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
- would get FM 
- to do this.
- 
- 
- Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
- can confirm 
- that it can't be done, that would help also.
-  
- 
- David Wollenberger
- 
- 
- ca
- 
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread rebecca officer
Hi David

For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the "big" book, 
not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a while, but 
found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small books. Also, you 
have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your single-chapter books, the 
chapter numbering needs to use "read from file" and in your big book it needs 
to be "continue numbering from previous file in book". Then in the production 
process, update the big book first to get the chapter numbers right. And ignore 
error messages about inconsistent numbering.

Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but we 
have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I can 
ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.

Cheers, Rebecca 

>>> "Wollenberger, David"  6/03/06 09:52 >>>
I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.


David Wollenberger 


ca

Technical Writer 
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi,

I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...

Thank you,

Shall Close,

Regards,

David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
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[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.


David Wollenberger 


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2006-03-06 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
This method is only needed, IMHO, if you want the ToC to refer to the
ToC, or if you have a very small ToC that will be sharing a page with
the beginning of the chapter.

But I agree: use only one book file.

There is also the third alternative: make the individual ToCs for each
chapter and add it to the book file before the chapter. Then you can
decide the numbering from within the book file, whether you have a
separate numbering for the ToC, like Roman numbers or the same as the
chapter, in which case you would set the chapter file to continnue the
numbering from the previous file. In the last case, you will have to
update the ToC to show the new page numbering.

HTH,

Bodvar

On 3/5/06, rebecca officer  wrote:
> Hi David
>
> For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the "big" 
> book, not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a 
> while, but found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small 
> books. Also, you have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your 
> single-chapter books, the chapter numbering needs to use "read from file" and 
> in your big book it needs to be "continue numbering from previous file in 
> book". Then in the production process, update the big book first to get the 
> chapter numbers right. And ignore error messages about inconsistent numbering.
>
> Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
> chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but 
> we have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I 
> can ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.
>
> Cheers, Rebecca
>
> >>> "Wollenberger, David"  6/03/06 09:52 >>>
> I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
> beginning of each chapter.
>
> Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
> create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
> the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
> book that contains each of the book files.
>
> Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
> Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
> says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
> generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
> files. I can open these books from the master book window by
> double-clicking, no errors.
>
> Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
> inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
> to do this.
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
> that it can't be done, that would help also.
>
>
> David Wollenberger
>
>
> ca
>
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2006-03-06 Thread Frank Harper
David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the 
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with 
a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to include the 
paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are updated just like 
any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special 
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into the 
chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the TOC, 
regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this method 
requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

-Original Message-
>From: davidaflynn 
>Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
>To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers 
>(FrameMaker List)'" 
>Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>Hi,
>
>I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
>in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
>cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
>
>Thank you,
> 
>Shall Close,
> 
>Regards,
> 
>David Flynn
>Technical Writer
>Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
>Extn: 220
>Fiorano Software
>www.fiorano.com
> 
>
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>[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
>To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
>Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
>beginning of each chapter.
>
>Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
>create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
>the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
>book that contains each of the book files.  
>
>Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
>Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
>says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
>generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
>files. I can open these books from the master book window by
>double-clicking, no errors.
>
>Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
>inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
>to do this.
>
>
>Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
>that it can't be done, that would help also.
> 
>
>David Wollenberger 
>
>
>ca
>
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>tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread davidaflynn
Hi Frank,

That was informativethanks for sharing it with me !

Thank you,

Shall Close,

Regards,

David Flynn
Technical Writer
Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
Extn: 220
Fiorano Software
www.fiorano.com


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-Original Message-
From: Frank Harper [mailto:hfhar...@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 5:50 PM
To: davidaflynn at gmail.com; 'Wollenberger,David'; 'Framers (FrameMaker List)'
Cc: Framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

David,

There are two methods I have used. 

First is to use the cross-reference feature - place cross-references to the
headings you want for your TOC. Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab
with a leader for the page number. Define the cross-reference format to
include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page numbers are
updated just like any cross-reference.

The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC using the Special
menu. This generates a separate file. Import the TOC file by reference into
the chapter at the point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the
TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. Unfortunately, this
method requires manual steps, so I prefer the first method.

Good luck,
Frank Harper

-Original Message-
>From: davidaflynn 
>Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
>To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers
(FrameMaker List)'" 
>Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>Hi,
>
>I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of contents
>in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only display all H1
>cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
>
>Thank you,
> 
>Shall Close,
> 
>Regards,
> 
>David Flynn
>Technical Writer
>Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2 
>Extn: 220
>Fiorano Software
>www.fiorano.com
> 
>___
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>
>Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/ 
>
>Cut your SOA implementation time and cost by 80% today.
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>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+davidaflynn=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
>Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
>To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
>Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
>
>I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
>beginning of each chapter.
>
>Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
>create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
>the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
>book that contains each of the book files.  
>
>Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
>Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
>says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
>generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
>files. I can open these books from the master book window by
>double-clicking, no errors.
>
>Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
>inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
>to do this.
>
>
>Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
>that it can't be done, that would help also.
> 
>
>David Wollenberger 
>
>
>ca
>
>Technical Writer 
>tel: +1 310 957-3969 (Internal: x63969)
>fax: +1 310 957-3917 
>david.wollenberger at ca.com 
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2006-03-06 Thread Martinek, Carla
We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
mini-TOC against the bookmarks in the PDF as I'm reviewing it.

-Carla
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2006-03-06 Thread Yves Barbion
Another option is to use the ChapterTOC Framescript, an inexpensive plug-in.
Works like a charm, also on a book level.

You find it here: http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm



TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-06 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
As do we. But we "automate" the mini-ToC by using FrameSLT, from West
Street Consulting. Once you set it up, it will build such a list of
cross-refs with a couple of clicks. Structured documents only, though.
Before we started using it, discrepancies between the mini-ToC and the
rest of the doc were common (but hopefully caught during the review
process!); now they're not an issue.

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We also use cross-references to create our mini-TOCs (chapter TOCs).  

To verify that all H1 and H2 headings have been included, I check the
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2006-03-06 Thread Niels Fanøe
We use separate TOC files as well (Frank's "second method" below), but we use 
an AutoIT script to update it - no manual steps after the initial set-up.

-Niels

-> -Original Message-
-> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com 
-> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com]
->  On Behalf Of Frank Harper
-> Sent: 6. marts 2006 13:20
-> To: davidaflynn at gmail.com; 'Wollenberger, David'; 'Framers 
-> (FrameMaker List)'
-> Cc: Framers at frameusers.com
-> Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> 
-> David,
-> 
-> There are two methods I have used. 
-> 
-> First is to use the cross-reference feature - place 
-> cross-references to the headings you want for your TOC. 
-> Define the TOC para style to incoude a tab with a leader for 
-> the page number. Define the cross-reference format to 
-> include the paratext, tab, and pagenum variables. The page 
-> numbers are updated just like any cross-reference.
-> 
-> The second method is more complex. Generate a chapter TOC 
-> using the Special menu. This generates a separate file. 
-> Import the TOC file by reference into the chapter at the 
-> point you want the TOC. Then when you need to update the 
-> TOC, regenerate the TOC using the Special menu again. 
-> Unfortunately, this method requires manual steps, so I 
-> prefer the first method.
-> 
-> Good luck,
-> Frank Harper
-> 
-> -Original Message-
-> >From: davidaflynn 
-> >Sent: Mar 6, 2006 1:04 AM
-> >To: "'Wollenberger, David'" , "'Framers 
-> >(FrameMaker List)'" 
-> >Subject: RE: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >Hi,
-> >
-> >I understand your intent because I also require to add a table of 
-> >contents in the beginning of each chapter. However, I only 
-> display all 
-> >H1 cross-references in a simple table. That's my chapter toc...
-> >
-> >Thank you,
-> > 
-> >Shall Close,
-> > 
-> >Regards,
-> > 
-> >David Flynn
-> >Technical Writer
-> >Tel: +91 11 26222890/1/2
-> >Extn: 220
-> >Fiorano Software
-> >www.fiorano.com
-> > 
-> >
-> ___
-> >_
-> >_
-> >
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-> platform - 
-> >Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform
-> >
-> >Learn more at http://www.fiorano.com/products/
-> >
-> >Cut your SOA implementation time and cost by 80% today.
-> >Download and try Fiorano SOAT 2006 Platform at 
-> >www.fiorano.com/downloads/
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rs.com] On 
-> >Behalf Of Wollenberger, David
-> >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:23 AM
-> >To: Framers (FrameMaker List)
-> >Subject: TOCs at beginning of each chapter
-> >
-> >I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the 
-> >beginning of each chapter.
-> >
-> >Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to 
-> >create a book for each chapter. These books would contain 
-> nothing but 
-> >the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a 
-> >master book that contains each of the book files.
-> >
-> >Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I 
-> attempt to 
-> >Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During 
-> Searches, 
-> >FM says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, 
-> FM says it 
-> >cannot generate because the master book file contains no openable 
-> >non-generated files. I can open these books from the master 
-> book window 
-> >by double-clicking, no errors.
-> >
-> >Another approach would be to figure out some way of 
-> including the TOC 
-> >inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I 
-> would get FM 
-> >to do this.
-> >
-> >
-> >Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you 
-> can confirm 
-> >that it can't be done, that would help also.
-> > 
-> >
-> >David Wollenberger
-> >
-> >
-> >ca
-> >
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-> >fax: +1 310 957-3917
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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-05 Thread Wollenberger, David
I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


ca

Technical Writer 
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Re: TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-05 Thread rebecca officer
Hi David

For your first technique, you have to add all the .fm files to the big book, 
not add the single-chapter books to it. We used this approach for a while, but 
found it a pain to have to keep opening and updating the small books. Also, you 
have to muck with your numbering scheme. In your single-chapter books, the 
chapter numbering needs to use read from file and in your big book it needs 
to be continue numbering from previous file in book. Then in the production 
process, update the big book first to get the chapter numbers right. And ignore 
error messages about inconsistent numbering.

Instead of this, we now create stand-alone TOCs and import them into each 
chapter as a text inset. The book update process doesn't generate these, but we 
have a framescript to update them in a single step. If you're interested I can 
ask our scripter if I can pass it on to you.

Cheers, Rebecca 

 Wollenberger, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/03/06 09:52 
I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.
 

David Wollenberger 


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TOCs at beginning of each chapter

2006-03-05 Thread Wollenberger, David
I am attempting to develop a template where there is a TOC at the
beginning of each chapter.

Initially, I thought that the only way I could do this would be to
create a book for each chapter. These books would contain nothing but
the chapter file and an autogenerated TOC. Then, I would create a master
book that contains each of the book files.  

Although FM allows me to add a book file to a book, when I attempt to
Generate or Find, I get nothing but error messages.  During Searches, FM
says it cannot open the book files; during Generation, FM says it cannot
generate because the master book file contains no openable non-generated
files. I can open these books from the master book window by
double-clicking, no errors.

Another approach would be to figure out some way of including the TOC
inside of the chapter file.  However, I cannot think how I would get FM
to do this.


Does anyone have any ideas about how to do this, or, if you can confirm
that it can't be done, that would help also.


David Wollenberger 


ca

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