adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-18 Thread Lynne A. Price
Deirdre,
   A variation of Peter's suggestion to use the Chapter Number system 
variable instead of the user variable on the master pages as well. That 
way, you only need to specify the number once. Alternatively, instead of 
inserting the <$chapnum> building block before <$paratext> in the reference 
flow, you can just import variables from your document into the TOC and 
insert the variable before <$paratext>. However, using <$chapnum> is more 
robust, because it allows a single TOC to contain entries from chapters 
with different numbers.
 --Lynne

At 02:16 PM 6/16/2008, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>Oh!  That sounds the easiest.
>
>Thanks, Peter!
>
>Deirdre
>
>On 6/16/08, Peter Gold  wrote:
> > Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
> > to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
> > <$chapnum> building block into the TOC specification area before
> > <$paratext>  on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
> > number, set the Chapter numbering to Use Same Number as Previous
> > Chapter.
> >

Lynne A. Price
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi all:

I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
it there either.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Owen, Clint
Deirdre,

The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named
paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text
will show up in the TOC.

HTH,

Clint


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Hi all:

I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is it
possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were building
the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the
reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there
either.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks, Clint.

The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not
showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables.

Deirdre

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 Deirdre,

 The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named
 paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text
 will show up in the TOC.

 HTH,

 Clint


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 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is it
 possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were building
 the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the
 reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there
 either.

 Thanks!

 Deirdre
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
 it there either.
 
A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages
of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with 
each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. 
Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and 
footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. 
 
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Owen, Clint
Yes, that makes a difference. 

I think it could be done, but it wouldn't be as easy as I assumed.

Clint


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To: Owen, Clint
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Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC

Thanks, Clint.

The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not showing
up as an option in the list of TOC variables.

Deirdre

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 Deirdre,

 The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named 
 paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text 
 will show up in the TOC.

 HTH,

 Clint


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 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course 
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have 
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a

 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is 
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were 
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went 
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add

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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Deidre,

The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user  
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.  
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master  
pages.

Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you  
achieve what you're after.

Paul

On 16 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
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 Thanks!

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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jerilynne Knight
Hi Deirdre

If you need to have the variable available in the TOC so you can use it
there (as opposed to creating a link or cross reference to it), have you
tried importing the variables from the document where it is used to the TOC?
It sounds like it may have created in an individual document and one or more
files (eg., the TOC) don't have that variable in the master list.

Blessings
Jerilynne

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 Thanks, Clint.

 The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jim Owens
FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the 
paragraphs you can select for the TOC.

You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer.

Fred Ridder wrote:
 Deirdre Reagan wrote:
  
 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
 it there either.
  
 A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages
 of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with 
 each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. 
 Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and 
 footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. 
  
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Art Campbell
Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
page.

Art

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
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 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
 it there either.

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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
it.

Here's the 411:

We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
XX-XX-XX Component Name.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
delete it by accident.

Thanks again for all the information!

Deirdre


On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
 definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
 it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
 doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
 page.

 Art

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
  using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
  recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
 
  I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
  user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
  it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
  building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
  to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
  it there either.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Deirdre
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?

Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).  

It is not a building block you can extract automatically from the other
files, but simply insert the variable itself in the text of the
'prototype' paragraph on the reference page.

But if the variable value changes in different chapters, the only way to
automate this is to have is appear somehow in the content of those files
(via a special paragraph format) which can then be pulled in the TOC
whenever you regenerate it.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 12:16, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
| Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
| user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
| the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
| it.
| 
| Here's the 411:
| 
| We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
| chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
| XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
| XX-XX-XX Component Name.
| 
| I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
| paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
| show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
| delete it by accident.
| 
| Thanks again for all the information!
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
| definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
| it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
| doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
| page.
|
| Art
|
| On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
| Hi all:
|
| I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
| using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people
have
| recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
|
| I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is
a
| user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
| it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
| building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
| to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could
add
| it there either.
|
| Thanks!
|
| Deirdre
|
| --
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Vincent
| and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
|  No disclaimers apply.
|  DoD 358

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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

It's true that the tag shows up in the list if it's in the catalog.
But in my quick test, adding it to the include list produces no
result because only the body page frames are searched when 
you generate/update the TOC. I put instances of the same 
para tag in the header and in the body, and when I add it to 
the TOC setuy and generate, I only see the instance that's 
on a body page.
This makes sense if you think about it, because the frames on
the master pages are background frames that may appear on 
multiple body pages. How can FrameMaker make a meaningful 
TOC entry for something that appears on multiple pages?
 
And it also makes sense to not provide direct access to user
variables, because the values of user variables are defined 
on a file-by-file basis. If a user variable with the same name
has different values in different chapters (as appears to be 
the case here unless Deirdre is actually dealing with lots of
differently named variables), which value is the TOC file 
supposed to use?
 
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FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the  
paragraphs you can select for the TOC.  You might have to add it to the 
catalog in Paragraph Designer.  Fred Ridder wrote:  Deirdre Reagan wrote: 
   I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a 
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is  it 
possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were  building the 
TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went  to the reference 
page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add  it there either.   
 A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages  of a 
book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated
  with   each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number.  
 Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and   
footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. 
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jim Owens
If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can 
put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character 
format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include $paranum 
in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.

P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can 
include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer 
text to the TOC.


Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
 user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
 the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
 it.
 
 Here's the 411:
 
 We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
 chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
 XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
 XX-XX-XX Component Name.
 
 I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
 paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
 show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
 delete it by accident.
 
 Thanks again for all the information!
 
 Deirdre
 
 
 On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
 definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
 it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
 doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
 page.

 Art

 On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all:

 I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
 using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
 recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

 I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
 user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
 it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
 building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
 to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
 it there either.

 Thanks!

 Deirdre
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)

Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
repair chapter.

So our TOC will be

Class Divider Description
Class Divider Installation
Class Divider Repair

Overhead Bin Description
Overhead Bin Installation
Overhead Bin Repair

Lavatory Description
Lavatory Installation
Lavatory Repair

What we want the TOC to look like is this:

25-23-01 Class Divider Description
25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
25-23-01 Class Divider Repair

25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair

25-41-01 Lavatory Description
25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
25-41-01 Lavatory Repair

But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.

You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
change within each component's related chapters.

It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
the chapter and change the text to white.

Thanks all!

On 6/16/08, Jim Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can put
 XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character format.
 Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include $paranum in the TOC
 entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.

 P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can
 include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer text
 to the TOC.


 Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 
  Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
  user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
  the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
  it.
 
  Here's the 411:
 
  We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
  chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
  XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
  XX-XX-XX Component Name.
 
  I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
  paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
  show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
  delete it by accident.
 
  Thanks again for all the information!
 
  Deirdre
 
 
  On 6/16/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
   definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
   it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
   doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
   page.
  
   Art
  
   On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Hi all:
   
I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
   
I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
it there either.
   
Thanks!
   
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Stuart Rogers
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
 Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
 anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
 
 Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
 that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
 repair chapter.
 
 So our TOC will be
 
 Class Divider Description
 Class Divider Installation
 Class Divider Repair
 
 Overhead Bin Description
 Overhead Bin Installation
 Overhead Bin Repair
 
 Lavatory Description
 Lavatory Installation
 Lavatory Repair
 
 What we want the TOC to look like is this:
 
 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
 
 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
 
 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
 
 But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
 
 You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
 change within each component's related chapters.
 
 It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
 the chapter and change the text to white.
 


Caveat:  I haven't tried this.  But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX 
variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, 
and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn 
in the TOC).  Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide 
the condition.

Might work?

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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Lester C. Smalley
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:


If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.  

Then add the $VOLNUM building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
TOC.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
| anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
| 
| Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
| that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
| repair chapter.
| 
| So our TOC will be
| 
| Class Divider Description
| Class Divider Installation
| Class Divider Repair
| 
| Overhead Bin Description
| Overhead Bin Installation
| Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| Lavatory Description
| Lavatory Installation
| Lavatory Repair
| 
| What we want the TOC to look like is this:
| 
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
| 
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
| 
| But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
| 
| You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
| change within each component's related chapters.
| 
| It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
| the chapter and change the text to white.
| 
| Thanks all!

- Lester 
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hey!  Good idea!  I will try this.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre Reagan wrote:
  Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
  anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
 
  Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
  that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
  repair chapter.
 
  So our TOC will be
 
  Class Divider Description
  Class Divider Installation
  Class Divider Repair
 
  Overhead Bin Description
  Overhead Bin Installation
  Overhead Bin Repair
 
  Lavatory Description
  Lavatory Installation
  Lavatory Repair
 
  What we want the TOC to look like is this:
 
  25-23-01 Class Divider Description
  25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
  25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
 
  25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
  25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
  25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
 
  25-41-01 Lavatory Description
  25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
  25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
 
  But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
 
  You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
  change within each component's related chapters.
 
  It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
  the chapter and change the text to white.
 
 


 Caveat:  I haven't tried this.  But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX variable
 in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, and include
 both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn in the TOC).
 Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide the condition.

 Might work?

 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

 srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
This also sounds like a good idea -- I will try it also and let you
all know which works best for my situation.

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:


 If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
 number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
 25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.

 Then add the $VOLNUM building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
 the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
 TOC.

 On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 | Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
 | anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
 |
 | Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
 | that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
 | repair chapter.
 |
 | So our TOC will be
 |
 | Class Divider Description
 | Class Divider Installation
 | Class Divider Repair
 |
 | Overhead Bin Description
 | Overhead Bin Installation
 | Overhead Bin Repair
 |
 | Lavatory Description
 | Lavatory Installation
 | Lavatory Repair
 |
 | What we want the TOC to look like is this:
 |
 | 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
 | 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
 | 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
 |
 | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
 | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
 | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
 |
 | 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
 | 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
 | 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
 |
 | But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
 |
 | You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
 | change within each component's related chapters.
 |
 | It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
 | the chapter and change the text to white.
 |
 | Thanks all!

 - Lester
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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Stuart Rogers suggested:
 
 Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX 
 variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, 
 and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn 
 in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide 
 the condition.
 
Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):
 
Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
paragraph but conditionalize it as TOConly (or some such condition
name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set
the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating
the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book. 
If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle 
the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide. 
 
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Stuart Rogers
Fred Ridder wrote:

 Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):
  
 Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
 paragraph but conditionalize it as TOConly (or some such condition
 name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set
 the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating
 the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book.
 If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle
 the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide.
  

Good point, Fred -- I use conditionals so infrequently (and only in 
pgf-sized chunks) that I forgot about conditionalizing only a portion of 
a pgf.

I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the 
title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the 
show vs. hide setting.  (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative 
space above/below would get around that.)

sr

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RE: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Responding to my alternative approach, Stuart Rogers wrote (in part):
 
 I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the 
 title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the 
 show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative 
 space above/below would get around that.)
 
Actually, you can still use the conditional approach because once you've
inserted and conditionalized the variable you can make it arbitrarily small
as long as you do it *manually*, as an override (normally a no-no).
You need to do it here, though, because if you apply a named character 
format that changes the size of the font, that formatting is preserved 
when you generate/update the TOC, screwing up the hyperlinks as well
as the appearance. But if you change the size manually (not by applying 
a style), the new formatting is ignored when the TOC is updated. Since
you never need to read the variable in the document, you can make it 
small in point size and condense it with Stretch so that it takes up 
almost no room and the TOC still generates normally.
 
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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Gold
Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
$chapnum building block into the TOC specification area before
$paratext  on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
number, set the Chapter numbering to Use Same Number as Previous
Chapter.

HTH

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Re: adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Mike Wickham
Deirdre,

A possible workaround is to create a special paragraph format and put it in 
the text frame on the body page. Put the variable in it as the only text. 
Then set the color to white to make it invisible. (You can also set a very 
small font size for the paragraph to reduce its effect on line spacing.) The 
TOC will then be able to pick up the paragraph text from the body page.

There are a couple of potential problems:
1. Being invisible, there's a chance of accidental deletion.
2. White text on a white page is invisble to the eye, but not to speech 
synthesizers. So if you have sight-impaired readers of your resultant PDF, 
they'll hear the variable text pronounced with the other text.

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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi all:

I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
it there either.

Thanks!

Deirdre


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Owen, Clint
Deirdre,

The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named
paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text
will show up in the TOC.

HTH,

Clint


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Hi all:

I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.

I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is it
possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were building
the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the
reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there
either.

Thanks!

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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks, Clint.

The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not
showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables.

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named
> paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text
> will show up in the TOC.
>
> HTH,
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
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> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is it
> possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were building
> the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went to the
> reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add it there
> either.
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> it there either.

A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages
of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with 
each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. 
Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and 
footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. 

-FR__



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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jim Owens
If you use the variable in a tag in your chapter, you can add that tag 
to the TOC.

For example, our chapters use an "h1" paragraph tag for the heading, but 
also a "chapter" paragraph tag that incorporates the Chapter Number 
variable. To include both the heading and the chapter number in our TOC, 
we add both paragraph tags when setting up the Table of Contents.

Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> Hi all:
> 
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
> 
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> it there either.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Owen, Clint
Yes, that makes a difference. 

I think it could be done, but it wouldn't be as easy as I assumed.

Clint


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Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:57 AM
To: Owen, Clint
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: adding user variables to the TOC

Thanks, Clint.

The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not showing
up as an option in the list of TOC variables.

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Owen, Clint  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> The TOC is built from specified paragraph styles. If one of the named 
> paragraphs in the target file contains a variable, the variable text 
> will show up in the TOC.
>
> HTH,
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics

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>
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course 
> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have 
> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a

> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is 
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were 
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went 
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add

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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Paul Findon
Hi Deidre,

The TOC collects paragraphs by style, so you can include user  
variables in a TOC by applying the appropriate paragraph tag.  
However, in my quick test, FrameMaker doesn't collect paras on master  
pages.

Someone on this may be able to suggest a workaround to help you  
achieve what you're after.

Paul

On 16 Jun 2008, at 15:44, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> it there either.
>
> Thanks!
>
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jerilynne Knight
Hi Deirdre

If you need to have the variable available in the TOC so you can use it
there (as opposed to creating a link or cross reference to it), have you
tried importing the variables from the document where it is used to the TOC?
It sounds like it may have created in an individual document and one or more
files (eg., the TOC) don't have that variable in the master list.

Blessings
Jerilynne

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Deirdre Reagan 
wrote:

> Thanks, Clint.
>
> The user variable is in the footer on the master page.  It's not
> showing up as an option in the list of TOC variables.
>
>
>
>


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jim Owens
FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up in the 
paragraphs you can select for the TOC.

You might have to add it to the catalog in Paragraph Designer.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>  
>> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
>> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
>> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were
>> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
>> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
>> it there either.
>  
> A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body pages
> of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated with 
> each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. 
> Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and 
> footer frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. 
>  
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Art Campbell
Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
page.

Art

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>
> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> it there either.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Deirdre
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
it.

Here's the 411:

We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
XX-XX-XX Component Name.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
delete it by accident.

Thanks again for all the information!

Deirdre


On 6/16/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
> definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
> it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
> doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
> page.
>
> Art
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> > using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> > recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
> >
> > I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> > user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> > it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> > building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> > to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> > it there either.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Does the variable have the same definition in all the chapters?

Then you could do this by importing (or defining) the variable in the
TOC and prefixing the ChaperTitleTOC paragraph on the TOC's reference
page with the variable (and a space as necessary).  

It is not a building block you can extract automatically from the other
files, but simply insert the variable itself in the text of the
'prototype' paragraph on the reference page.

But if the variable value changes in different chapters, the only way to
automate this is to have is appear somehow in the content of those files
(via a special paragraph format) which can then be pulled in the TOC
whenever you regenerate it.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 12:16, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
| user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
| the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
| it.
| 
| Here's the 411:
| 
| We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
| chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
| XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
| XX-XX-XX Component Name.
| 
| I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
| paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
| show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
| delete it by accident.
| 
| Thanks again for all the information!
| 
| Deirdre
| 
| On 6/16/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
|
|> Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
|> definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
|> it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
|> doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
|> page.
|>
|> Art
|>
|> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
|>  wrote:
|>
|>> Hi all:
|>>
|>> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
|>> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people
have
|>> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
|>>
|>> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is
a
|>> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. Is
|>> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
|>> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
|>> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could
add
|>> it there either.
|>>
|>> Thanks!
|>>
|>> Deirdre
|>
|> --
|> Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
|>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
|> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
|>  No disclaimers apply.
|>  DoD 358

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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

It's true that the tag shows up in the list if it's in the catalog.
But in my quick test, adding it to the "include" list produces no
result because only the body page frames are searched when 
you generate/update the TOC. I put instances of the same 
para tag in the header and in the body, and when I add it to 
the TOC setuy and generate, I only see the instance that's 
on a body page.
This makes sense if you think about it, because the frames on
the master pages are background frames that may appear on 
multiple body pages. How can FrameMaker make a meaningful 
TOC entry for something that appears on multiple pages?

And it also makes sense to not provide direct access to user
variables, because the values of user variables are defined 
on a file-by-file basis. If a user variable with the same name
has different values in different chapters (as appears to be 
the case here unless Deirdre is actually dealing with lots of
differently named variables), which value is the TOC file 
supposed to use?

-FR__



 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:05:54 -0400> From: 
jowens at magma.ca> To: docudoc at hotmail.com> CC: deirdre.reagan at 
gmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Re: adding user variables 
to the TOC> > FWIW, the paragraph tag for our master page footer does show up 
in the > paragraphs you can select for the TOC.> > You might have to add it to 
the catalog in Paragraph Designer.> > Fred Ridder wrote:> > Deirdre Reagan 
wrote:> > > >> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the 
TOC is a> >> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters. 
Is> >> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable? When we were> >> 
building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went> >> to the 
reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add> >> it there 
either.> > > > A TOC is designed to collect paragraphs that appear on the body 
pages> > of a book (e.g. headings), along with certain properties associated 
with > > each of those paragraphs, like autonumbering and the page number. > > 
Content that appears only in background frames (e.g. the header and > > footer 
frames on master pages) is not accessible to the TOC, AFAIK. > > > > 
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Jim Owens
If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can 
put XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character 
format. Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include <$paranum> 
in the TOC entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.

P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can 
include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer 
text to the TOC.


Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
> user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
> the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
> it.
> 
> Here's the 411:
> 
> We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
> chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
> XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
> XX-XX-XX Component Name.
> 
> I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
> paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
> show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
> delete it by accident.
> 
> Thanks again for all the information!
> 
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> On 6/16/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
>> Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
>> definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
>> it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
>> doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
>> page.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
>>> using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
>>> recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
>>>
>>> I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
>>> user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
>>> it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
>>> building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
>>> to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
>>> it there either.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Deirdre
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
anyone else on this list write an AMM?)

Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
repair chapter.

So our TOC will be

Class Divider Description
Class Divider Installation
Class Divider Repair

Overhead Bin Description
Overhead Bin Installation
Overhead Bin Repair

Lavatory Description
Lavatory Installation
Lavatory Repair

What we want the TOC to look like is this:

25-23-01 Class Divider Description
25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
25-23-01 Class Divider Repair

25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair

25-41-01 Lavatory Description
25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
25-41-01 Lavatory Repair

But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.

You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
change within each component's related chapters.

It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
the chapter and change the text to white.

Thanks all!

On 6/16/08, Jim Owens  wrote:
> If you aren't using autonumbering for the chapter title, then you can put
> XX-XX-XX in the autonumbering text and set it to a white character format.
> Then, if the TOC reference pages specify to include <$paranum> in the TOC
> entry, the autonumber will show up in the TOC.
>
> P.S. I've confirmed Fred Ridder's observation that, even though you can
> include the footer paragraph tag in the TOC, this won't add the footer text
> to the TOC.
>
>
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> >
> > Thanks everyone for all the responses.  We are attempting to use the
> > user variable as an adjective in front of the chapter title.  As such,
> > the user variable doesn't need to have a page number associated with
> > it.
> >
> > Here's the 411:
> >
> > We have a variable, XX-XX-XX, in the footer on the master page.  The
> > chapter title is Component Name.  My lead writer wants the TOC to read
> > XX-XX-XX Component Name, but he doesn't want the chapter to be called
> > XX-XX-XX Component Name.
> >
> > I'm thinking I'm going to have to put the XX-XX-XX as the last
> > paragraph on the body page and just turn the text white so it doesn't
> > show up.  But of course we then run the risk of having another user
> > delete it by accident.
> >
> > Thanks again for all the information!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >
> > > Not directly, no. A TOC lists content -- Body Page material. By
> > > definition, something on a Master Page wouldn't be included because
> > > it's out of the text flow where a reader can't see it and because it
> > > doesn't have a physical location as a page number -- it's on a master
> > > page.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Deirdre Reagan
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all:
> > > >
> > > > I'm on FM 8.0, Windows XP and I just returned from a training course
> > > > using Adobe FrameMaker 7.0 Classroom in a Book.  A lot of people have
> > > > recommended that book; I concur.  It's a great basic training book.
> > > >
> > > > I have to create a TOC and one of items I want to list in the TOC is a
> > > > user variable that is located on the master page of my chapters.  Is
> > > > it possible to have the TOC pick up a user variable?  When we were
> > > > building the TOC, I didn't see that option anywhere, and when I went
> > > > to the reference page to add formatting, I didn't see that I could add
> > > > it there either.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Deirdre
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Stuart Rogers
Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
> anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
> 
> Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
> that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
> repair chapter.
> 
> So our TOC will be
> 
> Class Divider Description
> Class Divider Installation
> Class Divider Repair
> 
> Overhead Bin Description
> Overhead Bin Installation
> Overhead Bin Repair
> 
> Lavatory Description
> Lavatory Installation
> Lavatory Repair
> 
> What we want the TOC to look like is this:
> 
> 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
> 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
> 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
> 
> 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
> 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
> 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
> 
> 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
> 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
> 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
> 
> But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
> 
> You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
> change within each component's related chapters.
> 
> It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
> the chapter and change the text to white.
> 


Caveat:  I haven't tried this.  But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX 
variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, 
and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn 
in the TOC).  Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide 
the condition.

Might work?

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially 
denied.


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Lester C. Smalley
I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:


If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.  

Then add the <$VOLNUM> building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
TOC.

On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
| anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
| 
| Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
| that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
| repair chapter.
| 
| So our TOC will be
| 
| Class Divider Description
| Class Divider Installation
| Class Divider Repair
| 
| Overhead Bin Description
| Overhead Bin Installation
| Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| Lavatory Description
| Lavatory Installation
| Lavatory Repair
| 
| What we want the TOC to look like is this:
| 
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
| 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
| 
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
| 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
| 
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
| 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
| 
| But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
| 
| You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
| change within each component's related chapters.
| 
| It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
| the chapter and change the text to white.
| 
| Thanks all!

- Lester 
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hey!  Good idea!  I will try this.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Stuart Rogers  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
> > Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
> > anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
> >
> > Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
> > that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
> > repair chapter.
> >
> > So our TOC will be
> >
> > Class Divider Description
> > Class Divider Installation
> > Class Divider Repair
> >
> > Overhead Bin Description
> > Overhead Bin Installation
> > Overhead Bin Repair
> >
> > Lavatory Description
> > Lavatory Installation
> > Lavatory Repair
> >
> > What we want the TOC to look like is this:
> >
> > 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
> > 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
> > 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
> >
> > 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
> > 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
> > 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
> >
> > 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
> > 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
> > 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
> >
> > But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
> >
> > You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
> > change within each component's related chapters.
> >
> > It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
> > the chapter and change the text to white.
> >
> >
>
>
> Caveat:  I haven't tried this.  But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX variable
> in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, and include
> both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn in the TOC).
> Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide the condition.
>
> Might work?
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially
> denied.
>


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
This also sounds like a good idea -- I will try it also and let you
all know which works best for my situation.

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> I haven't tested this to be certain it works but believe that it should:
>
>
> If it is not being used otherwise, a possible idea is to set the VOLUME
> number variable to the desired text string for the set of chapters, e.g.
> 25-23-01 for the Class Divider chapters.
>
> Then add the <$VOLNUM> building block in the Chapter Title TOC format on
> the reference pages in the Table of Contents file, and regenerate the
> TOC.
>
> On Monday, June 16, 2008 14:17, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> | Thanks everyone!  The document is an Aircraft Maintenance Manual (does
> | anyone else on this list write an AMM?)
> |
> | Let's say we have a Class Divider, an Overhead Bin, and a Lavatory
> | that all need a description chapter, an installation chapter, and a
> | repair chapter.
> |
> | So our TOC will be
> |
> | Class Divider Description
> | Class Divider Installation
> | Class Divider Repair
> |
> | Overhead Bin Description
> | Overhead Bin Installation
> | Overhead Bin Repair
> |
> | Lavatory Description
> | Lavatory Installation
> | Lavatory Repair
> |
> | What we want the TOC to look like is this:
> |
> | 25-23-01 Class Divider Description
> | 25-23-01 Class Divider Installation
> | 25-23-01 Class Divider Repair
> |
> | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Description
> | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Installation
> | 25-51-01 Overhead Bin Repair
> |
> | 25-41-01 Lavatory Description
> | 25-41-01 Lavatory Installation
> | 25-41-01 Lavatory Repair
> |
> | But we don't want the actual Chapter Title to have the XX-XX-XX in it.
> |
> | You can see that the number changes among the components, but doesn't
> | change within each component's related chapters.
> |
> | It's looking more and more like I'll have to put the XX-XX-XX within
> | the chapter and change the text to white.
> |
> | Thanks all!
>
> - Lester
> ---
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> Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
> Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com
> ---
>
>


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Stuart Rogers suggested:

> Caveat: I haven't tried this. But suppose you put your XX-XX-XX 
> variable in a conditional paragraph ahead of the ChapterTitle paragraph, 
> and include both pgfs in your TOC setup (with the first tagged as RunIn 
> in the TOC). Show the condition, generate and save the TOC, then hide 
> the condition.

Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):

Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
paragraph but conditionalize it as "TOConly" (or some such condition
name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set
the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating
the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book. 
If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle 
the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide. 

-FR
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Stuart Rogers
Fred Ridder wrote:

> Another variation (also untested, but I see no reason it shouldn't work):
>  
> Include the XX-XX-XX variable at the beginning of each ChapterTitle
> paragraph but conditionalize it as "TOConly" (or some such condition
> name). The TOC file itself would require no special setup. Just set
> the TOConly condition to Show in all files immediately before updating
> the TOC, then set the condition to Hide before you publish the book.
> If you have FrameScript, it would be easy to write a script to toggle
> the condition, update the TOC, and toggle the condition back to hide.
>  

Good point, Fred -- I use conditionals so infrequently (and only in 
pgf-sized chunks) that I forgot about conditionalizing only a portion of 
a pgf.

I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the 
title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the 
show vs. hide setting.  (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative 
space above/below would get around that.)

sr

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially 
denied.


adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Fred Ridder

Responding to my alternative approach, Stuart Rogers wrote (in part):

> I guess the thing to watch is whether inserting the variable pushes the 
> title onto two lines, thereby making the pagination different under the 
> show vs. hide setting. (If so, then using separate pgfs with negative 
> space above/below would get around that.)

Actually, you can still use the conditional approach because once you've
inserted and conditionalized the variable you can make it arbitrarily small
as long as you do it *manually*, as an override (normally a no-no).
You need to do it here, though, because if you apply a named character 
format that changes the size of the font, that formatting is preserved 
when you generate/update the TOC, screwing up the hyperlinks as well
as the appearance. But if you change the size manually (not by applying 
a style), the new formatting is ignored when the TOC is updated. Since
you never need to read the variable in the document, you can make it 
small in point size and condense it with Stretch so that it takes up 
almost no room and the TOC still generates normally.

-FR



adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Peter Gold
Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
<$chapnum> building block into the TOC specification area before
<$paratext>  on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
number, set the Chapter numbering to Use Same Number as Previous
Chapter.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Mike Wickham
Deirdre,

A possible workaround is to create a special paragraph format and put it in 
the text frame on the body page. Put the variable in it as the only text. 
Then set the color to white to make it invisible. (You can also set a very 
small font size for the paragraph to reduce its effect on line spacing.) The 
TOC will then be able to pick up the paragraph text from the body page.

There are a couple of potential problems:
1. Being invisible, there's a chance of accidental deletion.
2. White text on a white page is invisble to the eye, but not to speech 
synthesizers. So if you have sight-impaired readers of your resultant PDF, 
they'll hear the variable text pronounced with the other text.

Mike Wickham




adding user variables to the TOC

2008-06-16 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Oh!  That sounds the easiest.

Thanks, Peter!

Deirdre

On 6/16/08, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Have you tried setting each chapter's chapter-number system variable
> to Text and typing in the identifying number, and inserting the
> <$chapnum> building block into the TOC specification area before
> <$paratext>  on the TOC reference page? For chapters that use the same
> number, set the Chapter numbering to Use Same Number as Previous
> Chapter.
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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