Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Rick and the other FrameUsers

I have just tested this in Fm 7.2 and Fm 10 and, indeed, as soon as I save
an Illustrator EPS file in a later version, for example version 8 saved as
version 9 (or CS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), the Top and Left offsets of the anchored
frame change. I have no idea why this happens, maybe someone from Adobe
(Dov) can tell us?

I did find a more recent post about this problem in the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1238889

Indeed, the problem must be related to the way in which Illustrator saves
the bounding box of the graphic. The only way to fix this problem is a
Framescript, I guess, but I think the only thing which the framescript can
do is:

1. Select the anchored frame.
2. Edit  Select all in frame.
3. Graphics  Align  T/B Centers, L/R Centers, because there is no way to
know the original position of the graphic in the AFrame.

But:

* What if the AFrame contains multiple objects, i.e. multiple graphics
and/or callouts (text frames or text lines)?
* What if the AFrame contains a graphic which is not supposed to be aligned
T/B Centers, L/R Centers within the AFrame?

Kind regards

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu




On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 4:49 PM, Rick Quatro frameexp...@truevine.netwrote:

 Hi,

 This is an issue I have ocassionaly seen with FrameMaker over the years:
 sometimes the Top and Left offsets of an image will change when the image is
 refiltered. I have never been able to reproduce it on purpose and haven't
 seen it in Adobe's knowledge base. But I have seen it myself and have read
 posts from others who have encountered it.

 Someone mentioned the bounding box changing in the Illustrator file. But
 even if that were so, why whould the Top and Left offsets change?

 As usual, my solution is to use FrameScript to reposition the graphics in
 the anchored frames.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com



 Hi,

 If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps
 images
 and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use
 for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
 previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the
 framemaker file.
 They are just gone, I need to import them again.
 The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
 Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?

 Thanks!
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RE: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Yves,

 

Yes, I have seen this issue from time to time over the years. The bounding box 
explanation makes sense, although I have never tested it directly. Your “by 
hand” solution could be done programmatically with FrameScript. As far as your 
questions: since it is the imported graphic that gets messed up, this is 
probably the only graphic in the frame that you want to move. You would not 
want to move callouts, lines, etc. And you are right: it is impossible to know 
if the imported graphic was originally centered in the anchored frame, so you 
may have to make some manual adjustments after the script runs.

 

There is one way you could do this if you can pre-process the FrameMaker 
documents before updating the images:

 

1)  You would run a script before changing the images that would “mark” the 
contents of each anchored frame with its current X and Y offsets. Each object’s 
UserString property could be used to store the information. See 
http://frameexpert.com/tutorials/graphicstyles.htm for information on the 
UserString property.

 

2)  You would update the images.

 

3)  You would run another script that would go through the updated images 
in the FrameMaker documents and make sure each image’s X and Y location matches 
the value stored in the UserString property; if not, the script would correct 
it.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:51 AM
To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

 

Hi Rick and the other FrameUsers

I have just tested this in Fm 7.2 and Fm 10 and, indeed, as soon as I save an 
Illustrator EPS file in a later version, for example version 8 saved as version 
9 (or CS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), the Top and Left offsets of the anchored frame change. 
I have no idea why this happens, maybe someone from Adobe (Dov) can tell us?

I did find a more recent post about this problem in the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1238889

Indeed, the problem must be related to the way in which Illustrator saves the 
bounding box of the graphic. The only way to fix this problem is a Framescript, 
I guess, but I think the only thing which the framescript can do is:

1. Select the anchored frame.
2. Edit  Select all in frame.
3. Graphics  Align  T/B Centers, L/R Centers, because there is no way to know 
the original position of the graphic in the AFrame.

But:

* What if the AFrame contains multiple objects, i.e. multiple graphics and/or 
callouts (text frames or text lines)?
* What if the AFrame contains a graphic which is not supposed to be aligned T/B 
Centers, L/R Centers within the AFrame?

Kind regards

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu



 

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eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Rick and the other FrameUsers

I have just tested this in Fm 7.2 and Fm 10 and, indeed, as soon as I save
an Illustrator EPS file in a later version, for example version 8 saved as
version 9 (or CS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), the Top and Left offsets of the anchored
frame change. I have no idea why this happens, maybe someone from Adobe
(Dov) can tell us?

I did find a more recent post about this problem in the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1238889

Indeed, the problem must be related to the way in which Illustrator saves
the bounding box of the graphic. The only way to fix this problem is a
Framescript, I guess, but I think the only thing which the framescript can
do is:

1. Select the anchored frame.
2. Edit > Select all in frame.
3. Graphics > Align > T/B Centers, L/R Centers, because there is no way to
know the original position of the graphic in the AFrame.

But:

* What if the AFrame contains multiple "objects", i.e. multiple graphics
and/or callouts (text frames or text lines)?
* What if the AFrame contains a graphic which is not supposed to be aligned
T/B Centers, L/R Centers within the AFrame?

Kind regards

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu




On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 4:49 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is an issue I have ocassionaly seen with FrameMaker over the years:
> sometimes the Top and Left offsets of an image will change when the image is
> "refiltered." I have never been able to reproduce it on purpose and haven't
> seen it in Adobe's knowledge base. But I have seen it myself and have read
> posts from others who have encountered it.
>
> Someone mentioned the bounding box changing in the Illustrator file. But
> even if that were so, why whould the Top and Left offsets change?
>
> As usual, my solution is to use FrameScript to reposition the graphics in
> the anchored frames.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps
> images
> and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use
> for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
> previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the
> framemaker file.
> They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
> Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
>
> Thanks!
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eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Yves,



Yes, I have seen this issue from time to time over the years. The bounding box 
explanation makes sense, although I have never tested it directly. Your ?by 
hand? solution could be done programmatically with FrameScript. As far as your 
questions: since it is the imported graphic that gets messed up, this is 
probably the only graphic in the frame that you want to move. You would not 
want to move callouts, lines, etc. And you are right: it is impossible to know 
if the imported graphic was originally centered in the anchored frame, so you 
may have to make some manual adjustments after the script runs.



There is one way you could do this if you can pre-process the FrameMaker 
documents before updating the images:



1)  You would run a script before changing the images that would ?mark? the 
contents of each anchored frame with its current X and Y offsets. Each object?s 
UserString property could be used to store the information. See 
http://frameexpert.com/tutorials/graphicstyles.htm for information on the 
UserString property.



2)  You would update the images.



3)  You would run another script that would go through the updated images 
in the FrameMaker documents and make sure each image?s X and Y location matches 
the value stored in the UserString property; if not, the script would correct 
it.



Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

rick at frameexpert.com







From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:51 AM
To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps



Hi Rick and the other FrameUsers

I have just tested this in Fm 7.2 and Fm 10 and, indeed, as soon as I save an 
Illustrator EPS file in a later version, for example version 8 saved as version 
9 (or CS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5), the Top and Left offsets of the anchored frame change. 
I have no idea why this happens, maybe someone from Adobe (Dov) can tell us?

I did find a more recent post about this problem in the Adobe forums:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/1238889

Indeed, the problem must be related to the way in which Illustrator saves the 
bounding box of the graphic. The only way to fix this problem is a Framescript, 
I guess, but I think the only thing which the framescript can do is:

1. Select the anchored frame.
2. Edit > Select all in frame.
3. Graphics > Align > T/B Centers, L/R Centers, because there is no way to know 
the original position of the graphic in the AFrame.

But:

* What if the AFrame contains multiple "objects", i.e. multiple graphics and/or 
callouts (text frames or text lines)?
* What if the AFrame contains a graphic which is not supposed to be aligned T/B 
Centers, L/R Centers within the AFrame?

Kind regards

Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu





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AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

As Rick Quatro pointed out this happens sometimes. I experienced
that 10 years ago on FM on UNIX regularly with EPS files from
CorelDraw. I do not know any rules when this will happen. Maybe
you changed anything which affects the dimensions or the bounding
box even if that´s not noticeable for you. E.g. anchor points of
splines which lie outside of the visible part of your graphics.
You might compare these values before/after. You could check the
EPS files in a text editor or with GhostScript/GhostView.

The shortcut is described in the FrameMaker help (Quick reference
(Windows) | Graphics | Graphic frames):
Shrink-wrap an anchored frame (shrink the frame to an object and
position the frame at the insertion point): Esc m p

This shortcut works equally well with equations.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Auftrag von frame user
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 09:26
 An: framers@frameusers.com
 Betreff: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
 
 
 Hi Winfried,
 
 Thanks for the tip!
 The eps files are indeed still in the file.
 But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and 
 move/resize
 the eps itself to the anchored frame?
 The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.
 
 What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
  still there but changed their position in your
  anchored frame.
 
  The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
  EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
 
  Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
  everything in the anchored frame and then press
  ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
  shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
  EPS file should appear again.
 
  Best regards
 
  Winfried
 
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Auftrag von frame user
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
   An: framers@frameusers.com
   Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
  
  
   Hi,
  
   If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
   the eps images
   and resave them in a more recent version that the original
   eps file (i use
   for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can 
 be made in a
   previous version of illustrator) then some images just
   dissappear in the
   framemaker file.
   They are just gone, I need to import them again.
   The strange thing is that this occures with some images 
 but not all.
   Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
  
   Thanks!
 
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eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[frame user]

Hi Winfried,

Thanks for the tip!
The eps files are indeed still in the file.
But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and move/resize
the eps itself to the anchored frame?
The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.

What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?

Thanks!


On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
> still there but changed their position in your
> anchored frame.
>
> The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
> EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
>
> Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
> everything in the anchored frame and then press
> ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
> shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
> EPS file should appear again.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> > Auftrag von frame user
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
> > An: framers at frameusers.com
> > Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
> > the eps images
> > and resave them in a more recent version that the original
> > eps file (i use
> > for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
> > previous version of illustrator) then some images just
> > dissappear in the
> > framemaker file.
> > They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> > The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
> > Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
> >
> > Thanks!
>

AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

As Rick Quatro pointed out this happens sometimes. I experienced
that 10 years ago on FM on UNIX regularly with EPS files from
CorelDraw. I do not know any rules when this will happen. Maybe
you changed anything which affects the dimensions or the bounding
box even if that?s not noticeable for you. E.g. anchor points of
splines which lie outside of the visible part of your graphics.
You might compare these values before/after. You could check the
EPS files in a text editor or with GhostScript/GhostView.

The shortcut is described in the FrameMaker help (Quick reference
(Windows) | Graphics | Graphic frames):
Shrink-wrap an anchored frame (shrink the frame to an object and
position the frame at the insertion point): Esc m p

This shortcut works equally well with equations.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> Auftrag von frame user
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 09:26
> An: framers at frameusers.com
> Betreff: Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> 
> 
> Hi Winfried,
> 
> Thanks for the tip!
> The eps files are indeed still in the file.
> But isn't it possible to let the anchored frame untouched and 
> move/resize
> the eps itself to the anchored frame?
> The anchored frames needs to stay on the same location in my document.
> 
> What does esc+m and p exactly do btw?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> On 5/16/06, Reng, Winfried  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
> > still there but changed their position in your
> > anchored frame.
> >
> > The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
> > EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.
> >
> > Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
> > everything in the anchored frame and then press
> > ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
> > shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
> > EPS file should appear again.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Winfried
> >
> > > -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> > > Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> > > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> > > Auftrag von frame user
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
> > > An: framers at frameusers.com
> > > Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open
> > > the eps images
> > > and resave them in a more recent version that the original
> > > eps file (i use
> > > for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can 
> be made in a
> > > previous version of illustrator) then some images just
> > > dissappear in the
> > > framemaker file.
> > > They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> > > The strange thing is that this occures with some images 
> but not all.
> > > Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
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eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[frame user]

Hi,

If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images
and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use
for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the
framemaker file.
They are just gone, I need to import them again.
The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?

Thanks!
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Re: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Rick Quatro]

Hi,

This is an issue I have ocassionaly seen with FrameMaker over the years: 
sometimes the Top and Left offsets of an image will change when the image is 
refiltered. I have never been able to reproduce it on purpose and haven't 
seen it in Adobe's knowledge base. But I have seen it myself and have read 
posts from others who have encountered it.


Someone mentioned the bounding box changing in the Illustrator file. But 
even if that were so, why whould the Top and Left offsets change?


As usual, my solution is to use FrameScript to reposition the graphics in 
the anchored frames.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi,

If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images
and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use
for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the
framemaker file.
They are just gone, I need to import them again.
The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?

Thanks!
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eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[frame user]

Hi,

If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open the eps images
and resave them in a more recent version that the original eps file (i use
for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
previous version of illustrator) then some images just dissappear in the
framemaker file.
They are just gone, I need to import them again.
The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?

Thanks!

AW: eps images dissappear after updating the eps

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

I guess the graphics files are not gone. They are
still there but changed their position in your
anchored frame.

The reason is probably that the dimensions of your
EPS graphics or the bounding box dimensions changed.

Just select the anchored frame, press CTRL+a to select
everything in the anchored frame and then press
ESC+m, release these buttons and then press p. That
shrinks the anchored frame to its content. Now your
EPS file should appear again.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-
> Von: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com]Im
> Auftrag von frame user
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Mai 2006 15:09
> An: framers at frameusers.com
> Betreff: eps images dissappear after updating the eps
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If I have a framemaker file with linked eps images and I open 
> the eps images
> and resave them in a more recent version that the original 
> eps file (i use
> for example illustrator CS to open the file but they can be made in a
> previous version of illustrator) then some images just 
> dissappear in the
> framemaker file.
> They are just gone, I need to import them again.
> The strange thing is that this occures with some images but not all.
> Does anyone have an explanation/solution for this?
> 
> Thanks!