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"IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat," Jeffrey Have you looked into the "runaround" properties of the frame, or whether there are actually 2 frames in that position, one of which has the wrong "runaround" setting? What I am thinking, is that if it is the latter case, it would explain why the resizing of one of those frames allows the lines in your graphic to become visible. Could there be an object inside the frame, ie an empty text box, causing this? Regards Rosemary
Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hi, Jeffrey: It's not clear if you're printing from FM, or from a PDF made from the FrameMaker file. You've also not mentioned the printer you're using. There's no unit given dimension 0.016 that you mentioned - is it mm, points, inches, etc? In Acrobat Help, search for Fix hairlines. This topic discusses the problem of printing very thin lines to offset printers, and offers a fix when printing from PDF. You may want to take a hint from this topic and retry increasing the line width in the problem graphic to at least one point to see if that prints correctly from FM. When printing from PDF, the fix doesn't require changing line widths in graphics. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Peter, You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in response to his suggestion to fix the optcgm.prf file. In that email I expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic (which prints elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. To respond to your other questions: when I print the hardcopy of the page, I am printing from FM; when I refer to lines not appearing on the pdf, I am talking about when I view a pdf copy of the page in Acrobat, the lines are not visible on my flat screen monitor. The printer type I mentioned above. The unit of measure for the line width is inches. ONE OTHER THING I TRIED TODAY: In my FM document, this partial-page graphic is preceded by three full-page graphics (cgm's)(all of which print just fine). I deleted the problem graphic from the partial-page anchored frame, and imported (by reference) a cgm of one of the full page graphics that precedes it. The lines and text of the full-page graphic were visible (on my flat screen monitor) in the partial-page anchored frame, but when I print a hardcopy of the page on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, the lines are not visible and do not print on the page, only the text is visible and prints; the same thing happens when I make a pdf of the page and view the page in Acrobat. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat. Regards, Jeffrey Casher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM To: Casher, Jeffrey Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Hi, Jeffrey: It's not clear if you're printing from FM, or from a PDF made from the FrameMaker file. You've also not mentioned the printer you're using. There's no unit given dimension 0.016 that you mentioned - is it mm, points, inches, etc? In Acrobat Help, search for Fix hairlines. This topic discusses the problem of printing very thin lines to offset printers, and offers a fix when printing from PDF. You may want to take a hint from this topic and retry increasing the line width in the problem graphic to at least one point to see if that prints correctly from FM. When printing from PDF, the fix doesn't require changing line widths in graphics. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeffrey.casher%40goo drich.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi, Jeffrey: On 10/8/07, Casher, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in response to his suggestion to fix the optcgm.prf file. In that email I expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic (which prints elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. [snip] It's not clear to me what partial-page anchored frame means. It could mean a page-anchored frame - a graphic frame, made with the Frame tool from the Graphics toolbox, that's pasted to the page, but not anchored within text - that takes up part of the page. Or, it could mean a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page. If the problem only occurs in a page-anchored graphics frame, you may have discovered a bug. If you can verify it is a bug, please file a bug report with Adobe at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform It's also not clear to me when you say IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat, if the graphic is enlarged when you enlarge the frame, or if you only enlarge the frame, but leave the graphic magnification unchanged. Enlarging the graphic enlarges the line widths, which could account for the successful printing. When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics? Have you tried the MIF wash technique to remove any possible file corruption - saving a backup copy of the file, then saving the file as MIF, opening the MIF and saving as a .fm file replacing the original file, then trying the print operations? If this succeeds, great. If not, it again indicates a problem in the graphic, probably the line width. Please read the topic in Acrobat Help that I suggested, if you haven't, to understand the line-width issue - CAD programs can create lines thinner than some applications or procedures can reproduce reliably. Another approach to removing corruption is to create a new FM file from the same template, then copy from the start of the file to a point just before the problem page, paste into the new document; then copy from a point after the problem page, and paste into the new document. Then create new content for the omitted problem area in the new document in the correct location. TIP: You can save time by printing only the suspect page. This exhausts my knowledge. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Peter, My partial-page anchored frame means a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page. When I say IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat, I mean that I select the frame, grab the bottom center handle of the frame, and increase the frame size (drag the handle to the bottom of the page, except that I leave two lines for the figure title) to full-page; the graphic is NOT SCALED during this action; it remains a partial page graphic in a FULL-PAGE frame. You wrote: When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics? Apparently you misunderstood my description (in the part of the email that was snipped) of what happens when I substitute another graphic; it DOES NOT behave correctly; IOW, when I delete the partial page graphic, leave the frame size as partial page also, and import a full-page graphic, the lines in the graphic are not visible (do not print) on a hardcopy of the page, and are not visible (are not displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. HOWEVER, if I then to back into the text file, increase the anchored frame size to full-page (without scaling the graphic), the lines in the graphic are then visible (and are printed) on a hardcopy of the page, and are visible (and are displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. I have not tried the MIF wash technique; I was hoping for a simpler solution. Although I will give it a try, your suggestion to fix hairlines in Acrobat does not solve my problem of printing a hardcopy of the page out of FrameMaker. Thanks for your efforts, Jeffrey Casher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: Casher, Jeffrey Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Hi, Jeffrey: On 10/8/07, Casher, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in response to his suggestion to fix the optcgm.prf file. In that email I expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic (which prints elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. [snip] It's not clear to me what partial-page anchored frame means. It could mean a page-anchored frame - a graphic frame, made with the Frame tool from the Graphics toolbox, that's pasted to the page, but not anchored within text - that takes up part of the page. Or, it could mean a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page. If the problem only occurs in a page-anchored graphics frame, you may have discovered a bug. If you can verify it is a bug, please file a bug report with Adobe at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform It's also not clear to me when you say IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat, if the graphic is enlarged when you enlarge the frame, or if you only enlarge the frame, but leave the graphic magnification unchanged. Enlarging the graphic enlarges the line widths, which could account for the successful printing. When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics? Have you tried the MIF wash technique to remove any possible file corruption - saving a backup copy of the file, then saving the file as MIF, opening the MIF and saving as a .fm file replacing the original file, then trying the print operations? If this succeeds, great. If not, it again indicates a problem in the graphic, probably the line width. Please read the topic in Acrobat Help that I suggested, if you haven't, to understand the line-width issue - CAD programs can create lines thinner than some applications or procedures can reproduce reliably. Another approach to removing corruption is to create a new FM file from the same template, then copy from the start
Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hi, Jeffrey: Thanks for the clarification. You wrote: Apparently you misunderstood my description (in the part of the email that was snipped) of what happens when I substitute another graphic; it DOES NOT behave correctly; IOW, when I delete the partial page graphic, leave the frame size as partial page also, and import a full-page graphic, the lines in the graphic are not visible (do not print) on a hardcopy of the page, and are not visible (are not displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. HOWEVER, if I then to back into the text file, increase the anchored frame size to full-page (without scaling the graphic), the lines in the graphic are then visible (and are printed) on a hardcopy of the page, and are visible (and are displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. == This seems to indicate that there's something wrong in the anchored frame, the page it's on, and/or the surrounding area of the document. If the MIF wash doesn't fix it, and the reconstruction by copy/paste to a new file that I suggested also doesn't fix it, then, based on the test results you're seeing, you've probably discovered a bug that needs to be reported. The MIF wash isn't too big a deal to perform when troubleshooting. Yes, it's a nuisance if you need to add it to a workflow for all files. I was just suggesting a technique that could clear FM file corruption, if it's present. My point about reading and understanding the topic described in Acrobat Help was to clarify the issues of very thin line widths that occur in files; it's possibly a clue to the problem that's surfacing in your FM files. Sorry if I was confusing. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
John, Thanks for the information, however, changing the "optcgm.prf" file did not correct the problem. I don't think the problem is with the cgm; I can get the cgm to print correctly at other locations in the document AND when the anchored frame is increase in size to full page; the cgm won't pring the lines when the frame is partial page. One other thing I have tried: I went into IsoDraw, chose a line weight of 0.016 (twice the width of the lines I'm trying to print) and crossed out and lined through the text in the graphic (the text that prints every time, hardcopy and pdf). I then exported the cgm out of IsoDraw, imported the cgm into Frame by reference into the text file, and with the anchored frame at partial page, when I make a pdf or print a hard copy, I can see the "crossed out" lines over the text, but they're not black lines, they're white lines. Then, once again, if I increase the anchored frame size to full-page, the lines in the graphic print black in both pdf and hardcopy. It's as though shrinking the frame to less than full page somehow masks the lines in the graphic but not the text? Regards, Jeffrey Casher -Original Message- From: John Hogan [mailto:hoga...@cox.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:06 PM To: Casher, Jeffrey Subject: RE: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Jeffrey, I don't know if this will help your problem, but with every version of FrameMaker since 5.5.6, I've had to modify the CGM import settings file to make CGM work right. It might be worth checking. In the Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\filters folder (or the "filters" folder wherever you have Frame installed), there is a text file named "optcgm.prf" that you can edit. There is a single line in the file (line 92) that comes out the box reading: CGM_Background: USE I change that to read: CGM_Background: IGNORE_BW There is another option (IGNORE) which would probably work just as well, but I never needed to try it. Frame only reads the file at startup, so you need to restart Frame after the change. I hope it helps you; I'm sorry that I don't have any other ideas. John Hogan Advatech Pacific Inc Tempe, Arizona -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+hoganj1=cox@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+hoganj1=cox.net at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Casher, Jeffrey Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:34 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Hello framers, I sent this email to the framers list on Wednesday and only received one response. Does anybody have any other suggestions on how I might get the lines in my partial page graphic to print? I'm working with Frame 7.0 in a structured document. I have two graphics in the document. The first is a single-sheet, half-page graphic, followed by a four-sheet graphic. The first three sheets (of the four-sheet graphic) are full-page graphics, the fourth sheet is a half-page graphic. It is this fourth sheet that I'm having the problems with. All the graphics (cgm's) are imported by reference into anchored frames. The three full-page graphics print fine (both hard copy and pdf), but when I print the fourth sheet (partial page graphic), only the text that's in the graphic gets printed; the lines in the graphic do not print. Here are some of the things I've tried: I deleted the fourth sheet graphic from the anchored frame, and imported the half-page graphic from the first illustration in the document; both text and lines printed fine. I deleted the half-page graphic from the first illustration and imported the fourth sheet partial-page graphic; both text and lines printed fine. I deleted the Fsheet element, the Image element and re-inserted the into the document. I've re-exported the cgm from the IsoDraw program that I used to create the graphic; I opened the cgm in IsoDraw and re-exported that as a cgm; I opened the .iso file of the first illustration graphic, saved it as a separate document, inserted the lines and text from the problem graphic, exported that as cgm, imported into Frame document and tried to print that, all to no avail. But all that pales in comparison to this: When I put the problem graphic in it's assigned place in the document and then select the anchored frame and drag the bottom line of the frame to make the frame full-page, with the title and figure number lines as the last two lines of text on the page, the graphic prints (hardcopy and pdf) just fine. If I then change the depth of the frame to allow any text at all on the page, the lines in the graphic won't print, but the text in the graphic does print. I've also compared the object properties of the problem frame/graphic with the others in the document, and I can't see any difference in the properties. If anyone has any helpful suggestions, I'd be gratef
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hi, Jeffrey: It's not clear if you're printing from FM, or from a PDF made from the FrameMaker file. You've also not mentioned the printer you're using. There's no unit given dimension 0.016 that you mentioned - is it mm, points, inches, etc? In Acrobat Help, search for Fix hairlines. This topic discusses the problem of printing very thin lines to offset printers, and offers a fix when printing from PDF. You may want to take a hint from this topic and retry increasing the line width in the problem graphic to at least one point to see if that prints correctly from FM. When printing from PDF, the fix doesn't require changing line widths in graphics. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Peter, You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in response to his suggestion to fix the "optcgm.prf" file. In that email I expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic (which "prints" elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. To respond to your other questions: when I print the hardcopy of the page, I am printing from FM; when I refer to lines not appearing on the pdf, I am talking about when I view a pdf copy of the page in Acrobat, the lines are not visible on my flat screen monitor. The printer type I mentioned above. The unit of measure for the line width is "inches." ONE OTHER THING I TRIED TODAY: In my FM document, this partial-page graphic is preceded by three full-page graphics (cgm's)(all of which print just fine). I deleted the "problem" graphic from the partial-page anchored frame, and imported (by reference) a cgm of one of the full page graphics that precedes it. The lines and text of the full-page graphic were visible (on my flat screen monitor) in the partial-page anchored frame, but when I print a hardcopy of the page on my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, the lines are not visible and do not print on the page, only the text is visible and prints; the same thing happens when I make a pdf of the page and view the page in Acrobat. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat. Regards, Jeffrey Casher -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jeffrey.casher=goodrich@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jeffrey.casher=goodrich.com at lists.frameusers.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:26 AM To: Casher, Jeffrey Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Hi, Jeffrey: It's not clear if you're printing from FM, or from a PDF made from the FrameMaker file. You've also not mentioned the printer you're using. There's no unit given dimension 0.016 that you mentioned - is it mm, points, inches, etc? In Acrobat Help, search for Fix hairlines. This topic discusses the problem of printing very thin lines to offset printers, and offers a fix when printing from PDF. You may want to take a hint from this topic and retry increasing the line width in the problem graphic to at least one point to see if that prints correctly from FM. When printing from PDF, the fix doesn't require changing line widths in graphics. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jeffrey.casher at goodrich.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeffrey.casher%40goo drich.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hi, Jeffrey: On 10/8/07, Casher, Jeffrey wrote: > Peter, > > You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in > response to his suggestion to fix the "optcgm.prf" file. In that email I > expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm > trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and > the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on > my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our > PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on > my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic > (which "prints" elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored > frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a > hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME > SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a > hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. [snip] It's not clear to me what "partial-page anchored frame" means. It could mean "a page-anchored frame - a graphic frame, made with the Frame tool from the Graphics toolbox, that's pasted to the page, but not anchored within text - that takes up part of the page." Or, it could mean "a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page." If the problem only occurs in a page-anchored graphics frame, you may have discovered a bug. If you can verify it is a bug, please file a bug report with Adobe at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform It's also not clear to me when you say "IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat," if the graphic is enlarged when you enlarge the frame, or if you only enlarge the frame, but leave the graphic magnification unchanged. Enlarging the graphic enlarges the line widths, which could account for the successful printing. When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics? Have you tried the "MIF wash" technique to remove any possible file corruption - saving a backup copy of the file, then saving the file as MIF, opening the MIF and saving as a .fm file replacing the original file, then trying the print operations? If this succeeds, great. If not, it again indicates a problem in the graphic, probably the line width. Please read the topic in Acrobat Help that I suggested, if you haven't, to understand the line-width issue - CAD programs can create lines thinner than some applications or procedures can reproduce reliably. Another approach to removing corruption is to create a new FM file from the same template, then copy from the start of the file to a point just before the problem page, paste into the new document; then copy from a point after the problem page, and paste into the new document. Then create new content for the omitted problem area in the new document in the correct location. TIP: You can save time by printing only the suspect page. This exhausts my knowledge. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
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Peter, My "partial-page anchored frame" means "a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page." When I say "IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat," I mean that I select the frame, grab the bottom center handle of the frame, and increase the frame size (drag the handle to the bottom of the page, except that I leave two lines for the figure title) to full-page; the graphic is NOT SCALED during this action; it remains a partial page graphic in a FULL-PAGE frame. You wrote: "When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics?" Apparently you misunderstood my description (in the part of the email that was "snipped") of what happens when I "substitute" another graphic; it DOES NOT behave correctly; IOW, when I delete the partial page graphic, leave the frame size as partial page also, and import a full-page graphic, the lines in the graphic are not visible (do not print) on a hardcopy of the page, and are not visible (are not displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. HOWEVER, if I then to back into the text file, increase the anchored frame size to full-page (without scaling the graphic), the lines in the graphic are then visible (and are printed) on a hardcopy of the page, and are visible (and are displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. I have not tried the "MIF wash" technique; I was hoping for a simpler solution. Although I will give it a try, your suggestion to fix hairlines in Acrobat does not solve my problem of printing a hardcopy of the page out of FrameMaker. Thanks for your efforts, Jeffrey Casher -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:42 PM To: Casher, Jeffrey Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND Hi, Jeffrey: On 10/8/07, Casher, Jeffrey wrote: > Peter, > > You may or may not have received the email I sent to John Hogan in > response to his suggestion to fix the "optcgm.prf" file. In that email I > expressed my feeling that this problem is not with the cgm that I'm > trying to print, because I can place the cgm elsewhere in the file, and > the lines in the graphic will print just fine when I print a hardcopy on > my HP LaserJet 4050 printer, or if I create a pdf of the page using our > PDF995 distiller(?)(pdf maker); the lines in the graphic are visible on > my flat screen monitor all the time. However, if I put the graphic > (which "prints" elsewhere in the document) in a partial-page anchored > frame, the lines in the graphic do not print (are not visible) on a > hardcopy printed page or on the pdf of the page. IF I CHANGE THE FRAME > SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a > hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page. [snip] It's not clear to me what "partial-page anchored frame" means. It could mean "a page-anchored frame - a graphic frame, made with the Frame tool from the Graphics toolbox, that's pasted to the page, but not anchored within text - that takes up part of the page." Or, it could mean "a frame anchored within text, that takes up part of the page." If the problem only occurs in a page-anchored graphics frame, you may have discovered a bug. If you can verify it is a bug, please file a bug report with Adobe at http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform It's also not clear to me when you say "IF I CHANGE THE FRAME SIZE TO FULL-PAGE, the lines in the graphic do print (are visible) on a hardcopy printed page and on the pdf of the page in Acrobat," if the graphic is enlarged when you enlarge the frame, or if you only enlarge the frame, but leave the graphic magnification unchanged. Enlarging the graphic enlarges the line widths, which could account for the successful printing. When you substitute another cgm graphic that behaves correctly, this seems to indicate that the problem is in the particular graphic, not the cgm file format. Have you compared the line widths in the good and problem graphics? Have you tried the "MIF wash" technique to remove any possible file corruption - saving a backup copy of the file, then saving the file as MIF, opening the MIF and saving as a .fm file replacing the original file, then trying the print operations? If this succeeds, great. If not, it again indicates a problem in the graphic, probably the line width. Please read the topic in Acrobat Help that I suggested, if you haven't, to understand the line-width iss
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hi, Jeffrey: Thanks for the clarification. You wrote: Apparently you misunderstood my description (in the part of the email that was "snipped") of what happens when I "substitute" another graphic; it DOES NOT behave correctly; IOW, when I delete the partial page graphic, leave the frame size as partial page also, and import a full-page graphic, the lines in the graphic are not visible (do not print) on a hardcopy of the page, and are not visible (are not displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. HOWEVER, if I then to back into the text file, increase the anchored frame size to full-page (without scaling the graphic), the lines in the graphic are then visible (and are printed) on a hardcopy of the page, and are visible (and are displayed) in Acrobat when I make a pdf of the page. == This seems to indicate that there's something wrong in the anchored frame, the page it's on, and/or the surrounding area of the document. If the MIF wash doesn't fix it, and the reconstruction by copy/paste to a new file that I suggested also doesn't fix it, then, based on the test results you're seeing, you've probably discovered a bug that needs to be reported. The MIF wash isn't too big a deal to perform when troubleshooting. Yes, it's a nuisance if you need to add it to a workflow for all files. I was just suggesting a technique that could clear FM file corruption, if it's present. My point about reading and understanding the topic described in Acrobat Help was to clarify the issues of very thin line widths that occur in files; it's possibly a clue to the problem that's surfacing in your FM files. Sorry if I was confusing. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
partial page graphic lines won't print - RESEND
Hello framers, I sent this email to the framers list on Wednesday and only received one response. Does anybody have any other suggestions on how I might get the lines in my partial page graphic to print? I'm working with Frame 7.0 in a structured document. I have two graphics in the document. The first is a single-sheet, half-page graphic, followed by a four-sheet graphic. The first three sheets (of the four-sheet graphic) are full-page graphics, the fourth sheet is a half-page graphic. It is this fourth sheet that I'm having the problems with. All the graphics (cgm's) are imported by reference into anchored frames. The three full-page graphics print fine (both hard copy and pdf), but when I print the fourth sheet (partial page graphic), only the text that's in the graphic gets printed; the lines in the graphic do not print. Here are some of the things I've tried: I deleted the fourth sheet graphic from the anchored frame, and imported the half-page graphic from the first illustration in the document; both text and lines printed fine. I deleted the half-page graphic from the first illustration and imported the fourth sheet partial-page graphic; both text and lines printed fine. I deleted the Fsheet element, the Image element and re-inserted the into the document. I've re-exported the cgm from the IsoDraw program that I used to create the graphic; I opened the cgm in IsoDraw and re-exported that as a cgm; I opened the .iso file of the first illustration graphic, saved it as a separate document, inserted the lines and text from the problem graphic, exported that as cgm, imported into Frame document and tried to print that, all to no avail. But all that pales in comparison to this: When I put the problem graphic in it's assigned place in the document and then select the anchored frame and drag the bottom line of the frame to make the frame full-page, with the title and figure number lines as the last two lines of text on the page, the graphic prints (hardcopy and pdf) just fine. If I then change the depth of the frame to allow any text at all on the page, the lines in the graphic won't print, but the text in the graphic does print. I've also compared the object properties of the problem frame/graphic with the others in the document, and I can't see any difference in the properties. If anyone has any helpful suggestions, I'd be grateful for any assistance. Jeffrey Casher
