text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
learn.

In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?

SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)

What does that message mean?

GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS

How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
use a text frame that isn't visible?

Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?

How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
two other figures?

Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)

How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
master pages?

I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.

Sprightly yours,

Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.

* The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
manually.

* There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
on.

* You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
situations, you want autoconnected pages.

* Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
nested ones.

* The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
pages are added automatically.

Art

Art


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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all:

 FM 8.0, Windows XP.

 A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
 nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
 learn.

 In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
 message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?

 SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)

 What does that message mean?

 GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS

 How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
 use a text frame that isn't visible?

 Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?

 How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
 jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
 two other figures?

 Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
 it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
 frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
 pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
 just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
 think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)

 How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
 a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
 and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
 using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
 master pages?

 I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.

 Sprightly yours,

 Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi Art:

I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.

I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
pages.

Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
 things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
 a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
 have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
 stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.

 * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
 mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
 manually.

 * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
 a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
 default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
 checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
 setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
 on.

 * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
 need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
 situations, you want autoconnected pages.

 * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
 contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
 you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
 nested ones.

 * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
 broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
 pages are added automatically.

 Art

 Art


 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
  learn.
 
  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
  message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
 
  What does that message mean?
 
  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
 
  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
  use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
 
  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
  two other figures?
 
  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
 
  How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
  a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
  and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
  using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
  master pages?
 
  I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
 
  Sprightly yours,
 
  Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
Deirdre,

First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily
from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from
your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref
pages for anything, assuming everything there is working.

Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it
have a text frame on it, or is it blank?

Art

Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Art:

 I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
 tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.

 I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
 template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
 pages.

 Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
 new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
 every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.

 Thanks!

 Deirdre

 On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
 things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
 a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
 have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
 stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.

 * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
 mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
 manually.

 * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
 a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
 default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
 checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
 setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
 on.

 * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
 need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
 situations, you want autoconnected pages.

 * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
 contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
 you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
 nested ones.

 * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
 broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
 pages are added automatically.

 Art

 Art


 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 
  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
  learn.
 
  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
  message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
 
  What does that message mean?
 
  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
 
  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
  use a text frame that isn't visible?
 
  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
 
  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
  two other figures?
 
  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
 
  How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
  a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
  and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
  using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
  master pages?
 
  I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
 
  Sprightly yours,
 
  Deirdre
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Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
The illustration page has a text box and an anchored frame, and two
lines of text: Figure Title and Figure Number.

I import an illustration into the anchored frame, then add a second
page, copy the anchored frame into the second page, and import the
second illustration into that page, and etc. until I have all the
illustration pages I need.

Deirdre


On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre,

 First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily
 from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from
 your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref
 pages for anything, assuming everything there is working.

 Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it
 have a text frame on it, or is it blank?

 Art

 Art Campbell
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Art:
 
  I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
  tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.
 
  I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
  template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
  pages.
 
  Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
  new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
  every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.
 
  Thanks!
 
  Deirdre
 
  On 10/20/08, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
  things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
  a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
  have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
  stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
 
  * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
  mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
  manually.
 
  * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
  a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
  default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
  checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
  setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
  on.
 
  * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
  need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
  situations, you want autoconnected pages.
 
  * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
  contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
  you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
  nested ones.
 
  * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
  broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
  pages are added automatically.
 
  Art
 
  Art
 
 
  Art Campbell
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
  Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi all:
  
   FM 8.0, Windows XP.
  
   A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
   nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
   learn.
  
   In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
   message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?
  
   SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
  
   What does that message mean?
  
   GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
  
   How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
   use a text frame that isn't visible?
  
   Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
  
   How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
   jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
   two other figures?
  
   Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
   it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
   frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
   pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
   just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
   think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
  
   How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
   a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page

Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread poshedly
My own experience with connecting text frames where one isn't visible is when I 
have a frame with special text of some kind on one page, and then create an 
empty frame on another page down the line and need the text from the first 
frame to continue into the frame on the latter page.

For instance, a story on page 1 of your newspaper that continues inside the 
newspaper would use this feature. In this case, here's what I do (and it does 
work for me):

1. Create a text frame on the current page and import the text into that frame.

2. Navigate to the page where the story should continue and create a text frame 
(it doesn't matter what size) on that page.

3. Return to the frame on the page where the text starts and click on that 
frame to highlight the grab handles.

4. Navigate to the page where the new text frame is located and click on that 
frame to highlight the grab handles.

5. Click on the Format pull-down, then select Customize layout, then select 
Connect text frames and answer in the affirmative to Ok to use a text frame 
that isn't visible?.

The overflow text from the first text frame (which is on the earlier, 
nonvisible page) now flows into the visible text frame on the current page.

Like I said, this works for me.

-- Kenpo in Atlanta

-- Original message from Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
-- 


 Hi all: 
 
 FM 8.0, Windows XP. 
 
 A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the 
 nature of disconnected and connected pages in general. I'm happy to 
 learn. 
 
 In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a 
 message that says Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible? 
 
 SPECIFIC QUESTION(s) 
 
 What does that message mean? 
 
 GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS 
 
 How would I find a text frame that isn't visible? Why would I ever 
 use a text frame that isn't visible? 
 
 Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default? 
 
 How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures 
 jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between 
 two other figures? 
 
 Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame 
 it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text 
 frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and 
 pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have 
 just typed the white text into the existing text frame. I didn't 
 think of that until right now. Anyhow, I'd still like to know.) 
 
 How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds 
 a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page 
 and connect it to the table page? Does it have anything to do with 
 using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right 
 master pages? 
 
 I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do. 
 
 Sprightly yours, 
 
 Deirdre 
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RE: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Lester C. Smalley
The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
possibility.

The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
specialized page design needs. 

Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
new page to contain the extra table rows.

I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
- a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
frame.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
 
| Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
| things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
| a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
| have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
| stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
| 
| * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
| mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
| manually.
| 
| * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
| a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
| default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
| checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
| setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
| on.
| 
| * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
| need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
| situations, you want autoconnected pages.
| 
| * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
| contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
| you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
| nested ones.
| 
| * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
| broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
| pages are added automatically.
| 
| Art
| 
| Art Campbell
|   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers
| apply.
|DoD 358
| 
| 
| On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
|
|  Hi all:
| 
|  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| 
|  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
|  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
|  learn.
| 
|  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
|  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
| 
|  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
| 
|  What does that message mean?
| 
|  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
| 
|  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
|  use a text frame that isn't visible?
| 
|  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
| 
|  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
|  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
|  two other figures?
| 
|  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
|  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
|  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
|  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
have
|  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
|  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
| 
|  How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically
adds
|  a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a
page
|  and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
|  using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
|  master pages?
| 
|  I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
| 
|  Sprightly yours,
| 
|  Deirdre

- Lester 
---
Lester C. Smalley  Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com   
Information

Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
the autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special  Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
 I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
 possibility.

 The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
 This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
 themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
 master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
 specialized page design needs.

 Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
 setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
 will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
 that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
 manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
 is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
 new page to contain the extra table rows.

 I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
 - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
 for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
 design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
 directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
 frame.

 On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:

 | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
 | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
 | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
 | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
 | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
 |
 | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
 | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
 | manually.
 |
 | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
 | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
 | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
 | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
 | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
 | on.
 |
 | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
 | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
 | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
 |
 | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
 | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
 | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
 | nested ones.
 |
 | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
 | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
 | pages are added automatically.
 |
 | Art
 |
 | Art Campbell
 |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
 |   No disclaimers
 | apply.
 |DoD 358
 |
 |
 | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |
 |  Hi all:
 | 
 |  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 | 
 |  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
 |  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
 |  learn.
 | 
 |  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
 |  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
 | 
 |  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
 | 
 |  What does that message mean?
 | 
 |  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
 | 
 |  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
 |  use a text frame that isn't visible?
 | 
 |  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
 | 
 |  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
 |  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
 |  two other figures?
 | 
 |  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
 |  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
 |  frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
 |  pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
 have
 |  just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
 |  think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know

Re: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Or perhaps Page Break?  LOL -- I just saw that.  Is that how to force
a connected page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Lester:

 I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
 the autoconnect box is selected.

 How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
 know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
 up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.

 Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
 Special  Add Connected Page?

 Thanks!

 Deirdre

 On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
  I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
  possibility.
 
  The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
  This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
  themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
  master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
  specialized page design needs.
 
  Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
  setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
  will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
  that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
  manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
  is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
  new page to contain the extra table rows.
 
  I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
  - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
  for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
  design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
  directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
  frame.
 
  On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
 
  | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
  | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
  | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
  | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
  | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
  |
  | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --
  | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
  | manually.
  |
  | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
  | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
  | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
  | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
  | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
  | on.
  |
  | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
  | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
  | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
  |
  | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
  | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
  | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
  | nested ones.
  |
  | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
  | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
  | pages are added automatically.
  |
  | Art
  |
  | Art Campbell
  |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  |   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
  | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
  |   No disclaimers
  | apply.
  |DoD 358
  |
  |
  | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  |
  |  Hi all:
  | 
  |  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
  | 
  |  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
  |  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
  |  learn.
  | 
  |  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
  |  message that says OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?
  | 
  |  SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
  | 
  |  What does that message mean?
  | 
  |  GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
  | 
  |  How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
  |  use a text frame that isn't visible?
  | 
  |  Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
  | 
  |  How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
  |  jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
  |  two other figures?
  | 
  |  Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
  |  it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
  |  frame is usually

RE: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Deirdre, 

if you have a paragraph tag (for example anchor) that is very very
small (like 2 point font) and it is set to start at the top of a page,
adding a paragraph with that tag will automatically create a new page
and let you add the anchored frame on the new page 

To me, that sounds like what you want for your multiple images under one
Figure title.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 16:12, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks Lester:
| 
| I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
| the autoconnect box is selected.
| 
| How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
| know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
| up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.
| 
| Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
| Special  Add Connected Page?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| Deirdre

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RE: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Combs, Richard
Deirdre Reagan wrote: 
 
 How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
 know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
 up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.
 
 Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
 Special  Add Connected Page?

I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how FM works and trying to
use it as a page-layout program like Quark or PageMaker. 

There is no Add Connected Page command because you should never add
pages. You just add _content_, and FM creates additional pages
automatically to hold it. 

Your illustrations should be inserted into the (autoconnected) text
flow, not put on separate pages. When you reach the end of the last
paragraph before an illustration, hit Enter to make a new paragraph, and
then select File  Import  File and import your illustration. FM will
create an anchored frame (anchored at the text cursor location) to hold
the illustration. If you want the figure caption below the figure, hit
Enter again, make the new pgf your figure caption pgf. 

There's more to it (Keep With settings, whether to define a dedicated
figure anchor pgf, etc.), but that's the basic idea. Don't add pages!
Let FM do that for you. 

(If you have, or can get, Adobe's Classroom in a Book for FM, working
through that will teach you a lot of these basic concepts of how FM
works and how to work with it instead of against it.

HTH!

Richard


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RE: text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Owen, Clint
Deidre,

Unless your template is broken, all you need to do is add your content.
FM will add pages as necessary. You can also add a page break manually
to any paragraph or use a paragraph with the Top of Page attribute.

If the template is broken, in that no matter what you do you can't get
it to add new pages beyond a certain point, copy your content into a
different copy of the template. 

Somehow our Indian subcontractor manages to do this to our files
periodically, and I almost always  have to start over with a new file.

Clint


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Lester C. Smalley
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: text frame that isn't visible

Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the
autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special  Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special  Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The not visible frame may well be on another page that is not
visible.
 I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also

 a possibility.

 The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the autoconnect property.
 This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body 
 pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are

 custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have 
 some very specialized page design needs.

 Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect 
 setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it

 will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  
 If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them 
 manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if 
 Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should 
 automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows.

 I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as 
 possible
 - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest

 for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your 
 page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be 
 done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed 
 graphic frame.

 On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:

 | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some 
 | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about 
 | creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your 
 | files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as

 | if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation,
which isn't good.
 |
 | * The not visible frame could be on a layer under another frame --

 | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames 
 | manually.
 |
 | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's 
 | on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't 
 | the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect --

 | a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the

 | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always 
 | be on.
 |
 | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you 
 | should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all 
 | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
 |
 | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that 
 | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or 
 | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have 
 | nested ones.
 |
 | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if 
 | youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the 
 | rows and pages are added automatically.
 |
 | Art
 |
 | Art Campbell
 |   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 |   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 
 | Vincent and a redheaded grl. -- Richard Thompson
 |   No disclaimers

 | apply.
 |DoD 
 | 358
 |
 |
 | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 |
 |  Hi all:
 | 
 |  FM 8.0, Windows XP.
 | 
 |  A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the 
 |  nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy 
 |  to learn.
 | 
 |  In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a

 |  message that says

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi all:

FM 8.0, Windows XP.

A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
learn.

In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"

SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)

What does that message mean?

GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS

How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
use a text frame that isn't visible?

Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?

How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
two other figures?

Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)

How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
master pages?

I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.

Sprightly yours,

Deirdre


text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.

* The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
manually.

* There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
on.

* You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
situations, you want autoconnected pages.

* Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
nested ones.

* The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
pages are added automatically.

Art

Art


Art Campbell
  art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> FM 8.0, Windows XP.
>
> A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> learn.
>
> In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
>
> SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
>
> What does that message mean?
>
> GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
>
> How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
> use a text frame that isn't visible?
>
> Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
>
> How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
> jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
> two other figures?
>
> Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
> it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
> frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
> pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
> just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
> think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
>
> How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
> a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
> and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
> using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
> master pages?
>
> I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
>
> Sprightly yours,
>
> Deirdre
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text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi Art:

I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.

I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
pages.

Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
>
> * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> manually.
>
> * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> on.
>
> * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> situations, you want autoconnected pages.
>
> * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> nested ones.
>
> * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> pages are added automatically.
>
> Art
>
> Art
>
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi all:
> >
> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >
> > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> > learn.
> >
> > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> > message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> >
> > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> >
> > What does that message mean?
> >
> > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
> >
> > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
> > use a text frame that isn't visible?
> >
> > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
> >
> > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
> > jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
> > two other figures?
> >
> > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
> > it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
> > frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
> > pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could have
> > just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
> > think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
> >
> > How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically adds
> > a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a page
> > and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
> > using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
> > master pages?
> >
> > I could go on, but I imagine you all have jobs you need to do.
> >
> > Sprightly yours,
> >
> > Deirdre
> > ___
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text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Art Campbell
Deirdre,

First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily
from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from
your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref
pages for anything, assuming everything there is working.

Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it
have a text frame on it, or is it blank?

Art

Art Campbell
  art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi Art:
>
> I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
> tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.
>
> I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
> template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
> pages.
>
> Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
> new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
> every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
>> Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
>> things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
>> a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
>> have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
>> stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
>>
>> * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
>> mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
>> manually.
>>
>> * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
>> a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
>> default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
>> checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
>> setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
>> on.
>>
>> * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
>> need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
>> situations, you want autoconnected pages.
>>
>> * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
>> contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
>> you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
>> nested ones.
>>
>> * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
>> broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
>> pages are added automatically.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
>> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi all:
>> >
>> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
>> >
>> > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
>> > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
>> > learn.
>> >
>> > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
>> > message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
>> >
>> > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
>> >
>> > What does that message mean?
>> >
>> > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
>> >
>> > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
>> > use a text frame that isn't visible?
>> >
>> > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
>> >
>> > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
>> > jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
>> > two other figures?
>> >
>> > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
>> > it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
>> > frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
>> > pasted th

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
The illustration page has a text box and an anchored frame, and two
lines of text: Figure Title and Figure Number.

I import an illustration into the anchored frame, then add a second
page, copy the anchored frame into the second page, and import the
second illustration into that page, and etc. until I have all the
illustration pages I need.

Deirdre


On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Deirdre,
>
> First, the templates You can redesign the templates pretty easily
> from FM Portrait pages and then just import the Reference Pages from
> your existing doc. Which means you don't have to go on to the Ref
> pages for anything, assuming everything there is working.
>
> Tell us about the Illustration Pages. Is that a Master Page? Does it
> have a text frame on it, or is it blank?
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> > Hi Art:
> >
> > I hope someday soon to know enough to rewrite these templates!  I'd
> > tackle it now, but the reference pages have me stumped.
> >
> > I have to add pages because there is only one illustration page in the
> > template, and a lot of time our illustrations split over two - three
> > pages.
> >
> > Is there another way to add pages?  Just keep hitting enter until a
> > new page shows up? That gives me my connected page but goes against
> > every thing I've ever learned about efficient report writing.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
> > On 10/20/08, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >> Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> >> things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> >> a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> >> have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> >> stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> >>
> >> * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> >> mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> >> manually.
> >>
> >> * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> >> a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> >> default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> >> checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> >> setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> >> on.
> >>
> >> * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> >> need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> >> situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> >>
> >> * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> >> contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> >> you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> >> nested ones.
> >>
> >> * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> >> broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> >> pages are added automatically.
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >> Art
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Campbell
> >>  art.campbell at gmail.com
> >>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> >> Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> >>              No disclaimers apply.
> >>   DoD 358
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hi all:
> >> >
> >> > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> >> >
> >> > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> >> > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> >> > learn.
> >> >
> >> > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> >> > message that says "Ok to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> >> >
> >> > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> >

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Lester C. Smalley
The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
possibility.

The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
specialized page design needs. 

Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
new page to contain the extra table rows.

I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
- a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
frame.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:

| Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
| things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
| a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
| have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
| stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
| 
| * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
| mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
| manually.
| 
| * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
| a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
| default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
| checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
| setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
| on.
| 
| * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
| need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
| situations, you want autoconnected pages.
| 
| * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
| contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
| you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
| nested ones.
| 
| * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
| broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
| pages are added automatically.
| 
| Art
| 
| Art Campbell
|   art.campbell at gmail.com
|   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
| Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
|   No disclaimers
| apply.
|DoD 358
| 
| 
| On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
|
| > Hi all:
| >
| > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
| >
| > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
| > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
| > learn.
| >
| > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
| > message that says "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
| >
| > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
| >
| > What does that message mean?
| >
| > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
| >
| > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
| > use a text frame that isn't visible?
| >
| > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
| >
| > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
| > jumps to the end of the document and the table ends up split between
| > two other figures?
| >
| > Can a text frame within a text frame be connected to the text frame
| > it's within? (I'm using white text to force a TOC entry -- the text
| > frame is usually on its own page, but not in this case, so I cut and
| > pasted the text frame into another text frame -- I guess I could
have
| > just typed the white text into the existing text frame.  I didn't
| > think of that until right now.  Anyhow, I'd still like to know.)
| >
| > How come sometimes when I add rows to my table, FM automatically
adds
| > a new page, but other times, the new rows disappear until I add a
page
| > and connect it to the table page?  Does it have anything to do with
| > using Left / Right Master pages versus Custom Left and Custom Right
| > master pages?
| >
| > I could go on, but I imagine you all 

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
the autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special > Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
> I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
> possibility.
>
> The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
> themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
> master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
> specialized page design needs.
>
> Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
> setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
> will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
> that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
> manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
> is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
> new page to contain the extra table rows.
>
> I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
> - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
> for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
> design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
> directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
> frame.
>
> On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
>
> | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> |
> | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> | manually.
> |
> | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> | on.
> |
> | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> |
> | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> | nested ones.
> |
> | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> | pages are added automatically.
> |
> | Art
> |
> | Art Campbell
> |   art.campbell at gmail.com
> |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> |   No disclaimers
> | apply.
> |DoD 358
> |
> |
> | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
>  wrote:
> |
> | > Hi all:
> | >
> | > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> | >
> | > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> | > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> | > learn.
> | >
> | > In my document, when I attempt to connect two text frames, I get a
> | > message that says "OK to use a text frame that isn't visible?"
> | >
> | > SPECIFIC QUESTION(s)
> | >
> | > What does that message mean?
> | >
> | > GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS
> | >
> | > How would I find a text frame that isn't visible?  Why would I ever
> | > use a text frame that isn't visible?
> | >
> | > Why does FM use disconnected pages as the default?
> | >
> | > How come sometimes when I add a disconnected page, one of my figures
> | > jump

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Or perhaps Page Break?  LOL -- I just saw that.  Is that how to force
a connected page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Deirdre Reagan  wrote:
> Thanks Lester:
>
> I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
> the autoconnect box is selected.
>
> How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
> know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
> up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
>
> Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
> Special > Add Connected Page?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> > The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not visible.
> > I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also a
> > possibility.
> >
> > The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> > This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body pages
> > themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are custom
> > master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have some very
> > specialized page design needs.
> >
> > Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect
> > setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it
> > will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  If
> > that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them
> > manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if Autoconnect
> > is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should automatically add a
> > new page to contain the extra table rows.
> >
> > I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as possible
> > - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest
> > for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your page
> > design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be done
> > directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed graphic
> > frame.
> >
> > On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
> >
> > | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some
> > | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about creating
> > | a new, clean template and applying it to any of your files/books that
> > | have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as if you're building
> > | stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation, which isn't good.
> > |
> > | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --
> > | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames
> > | manually.
> > |
> > | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's on
> > | a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't the
> > | default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect -- a
> > | checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the
> > | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always be
> > | on.
> > |
> > | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you should
> > | need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all
> > | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> > |
> > | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that
> > | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or
> > | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have
> > | nested ones.
> > |
> > | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if youv'e
> > | broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the rows and
> > | pages are added automatically.
> > |
> > | Art
> > |
> > | Art Campbell
> > |   art.campbell at gmail.com
> > |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> > | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> > |   No disclaimers
> > | apply.
> > |            DoD 358
> > |
> > |
> > | On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Deirdre Reagan
> >  wrote:
> > |
> > | > Hi all:
> > | >
> > | > FM 8.0, Windows XP.
> > | >
> > | > A specific question here, but feel free to philosophize about the
> > | > nature of disconnected and connected pages in general.  I'm happy to
> > | > learn.
> > | >
> > | > In my docum

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Lester C. Smalley
Deirdre, 

if you have a paragraph tag (for example "anchor") that is very very
small (like 2 point font) and it is set to start at the top of a page,
adding a paragraph with that tag will automatically create a new page
and let you add the anchored frame on the new page 

To me, that sounds like what you want for your multiple images under one
Figure title.

On Monday, October 20, 2008 16:12, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

| Thanks Lester:
| 
| I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties --
| the autoconnect box is selected.
| 
| How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
| know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
| up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
| 
| Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
| Special > Add Connected Page?
| 
| Thanks!
| 
| Deirdre

- Lester 
---
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Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712
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text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Combs, Richard
Deirdre Reagan wrote: 

> How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
> know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
> up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
> 
> Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
> Special > Add Connected Page?

I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how FM works and trying to
use it as a page-layout program like Quark or PageMaker. 

There is no Add Connected Page command because you should never add
pages. You just add _content_, and FM creates additional pages
automatically to hold it. 

Your illustrations should be inserted into the (autoconnected) text
flow, not put on separate pages. When you reach the end of the last
paragraph before an illustration, hit Enter to make a new paragraph, and
then select File > Import > File and import your illustration. FM will
create an anchored frame (anchored at the text cursor location) to hold
the illustration. If you want the figure caption below the figure, hit
Enter again, make the new pgf your figure caption pgf. 

There's more to it (Keep With settings, whether to define a dedicated
figure anchor pgf, etc.), but that's the basic idea. Don't add pages!
Let FM do that for you. 

(If you have, or can get, Adobe's Classroom in a Book for FM, working
through that will teach you a lot of these basic concepts of how FM
works and how to work with it instead of against it.

HTH!

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--







text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Owen, Clint
Deidre,

Unless your template is broken, all you need to do is add your content.
FM will add pages as necessary. You can also add a page break manually
to any paragraph or use a paragraph with the "Top of Page" attribute.

If the template is broken, in that no matter what you do you can't get
it to add new pages beyond a certain point, copy your content into a
different copy of the template. 

Somehow our Indian subcontractor manages to do this to our files
periodically, and I almost always  have to start over with a new file.

Clint


Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Lester C. Smalley
Cc: Framer's List
Subject: Re: text frame that isn't visible

Thanks Lester:

I just right-clicked my text frame and checked object properties -- the
autoconnect box is selected.

How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.

Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
Special > Add Connected Page?

Thanks!

Deirdre

On 10/20/08, Lester C. Smalley  wrote:
> The "not visible" frame may well be on another page that is not
visible.
> I think that is far more likely than the layers, although that is also

> a possibility.
>
> The biggest thing is exactly as Art notes: the "autoconnect" property.
> This should be ON for all your main text frames, both on the body 
> pages themselves, and the master pages, regardless of whether they are

> custom master pages or the default Right/Left pair, unless you have 
> some very specialized page design needs.
>
> Whenever a disconnected page is added to a document, the autoconnect 
> setting will be turned OFF on that page, and so anything you add to it

> will not 'autoflow' to a new pages, such as adding rows to a table.  
> If that happens again, instead of adding a page and connecting them 
> manually, check the properties for the text frame to see if 
> Autoconnect is turned off. If so, just turn it on and FM should 
> automatically add a new page to contain the extra table rows.
>
> I would strive to keep the text frame organization as simple as 
> possible
> - a single frame for the page is both easiest to work with and easiest

> for another writer to follow. You can have multiple frames if your 
> page design demands it, but do not try to nest them, which can't be 
> done directly anyway - you have to add an anchored frame or a fixed 
> graphic frame.
>
> On Monday, October 20, 2008 15:26, Art Campbell wrote:
>
> | Based on your questions, it sounds as if there's something or some 
> | things wrong in your template. If I were you, I'd think about 
> | creating a new, clean template and applying it to any of your 
> | files/books that have the symptoms you're asking about. It sounds as

> | if you're building stuff on what amounts to a flawed foundation,
which isn't good.
> |
> | * The "not visible" frame could be on a layer under another frame --

> | mostly likely the result of modifying master pages or adding frames 
> | manually.
> |
> | * There isn't a program default setting for page connections; it's 
> | on a file by file, or template basis. So disconnected pages aren't 
> | the default setting, except in your particular files. Autoconnect --

> | a checkbox on your Master Page's text frame property sheet -- is the

> | setting in all the Frame templates and in most cases should always 
> | be on.
> |
> | * You should so rarely have to add a Disconnected page that you 
> | should need to look up the procedure... For almost all books in all 
> | situations, you want autoconnected pages.
> |
> | * Text frames cannot be nested. You may have a text frame that 
> | contains an anchored frame, and _that_ may contain a text frame. Or 
> | you may have text frames on different layers. But you don't have 
> | nested ones.
> |
> | * The only reason that rows wouldn't be added to a table is if 
> | youv'e broken the automatic flow connection. If it's turned on, the 
> | rows and pages are added automatically.
> |
> | Art
> |
> | Art Campbell
> |   art.campbell at gmail.com
> |   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 
> | Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson
> |   No disclaimers

> | apply.
> |DoD 
> | 358
> |

text frame that isn't visible

2008-10-20 Thread Deirdre Reagan
Hi Richard:

Thanks for this input -- you've helped me learn some things.

I do need to have an anchored frame that is larger than the
illustration I'm importing.

However, I see that I can just choose "Below Current Line" for my
anchored frame, and it automtically jumps to a new page. And the table
below it automatically jumps to its own page.

Thanks!

Deirdre


On 10/20/08, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> > How can I add a page that isn't a disconnected page?  The only way I
> > know how to add pages is to keep hitting return until a new page shows
> > up, or go to Special > Add Disconnected Page.
> >
> > Is there some option I should be clicking to make my menu option read
> > Special > Add Connected Page?
>
> I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how FM works and trying to
> use it as a page-layout program like Quark or PageMaker.
>
> There is no Add Connected Page command because you should never add
> pages. You just add _content_, and FM creates additional pages
> automatically to hold it.
>
> Your illustrations should be inserted into the (autoconnected) text
> flow, not put on separate pages. When you reach the end of the last
> paragraph before an illustration, hit Enter to make a new paragraph, and
> then select File > Import > File and import your illustration. FM will
> create an anchored frame (anchored at the text cursor location) to hold
> the illustration. If you want the figure caption below the figure, hit
> Enter again, make the new pgf your figure caption pgf.
>
> There's more to it (Keep With settings, whether to define a dedicated
> figure anchor pgf, etc.), but that's the basic idea. Don't add pages!
> Let FM do that for you.
>
> (If you have, or can get, Adobe's Classroom in a Book for FM, working
> through that will teach you a lot of these basic concepts of how FM
> works and how to work with it instead of against it.
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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