[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Jon, Jon Stahl wrote: One of the symptoms of that is the fact that some of of key components lack committed long-term maintainers. I think that's in part because we haven't done a great job of articulating where we need more hands, and how to get folks involved. That's probably true. How

[Framework-Team] PLIP 238: Disable inline editing by default

2008-09-27 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I want to propose PLIP 238: Disable inline editing by default Motivation -- I suspect that by now most of us have realized that the current inline editing behaviour in Plone 3 is not very practical. It has two main problems: * it is very easily triggered by default, which causes unwanted

Re: [Framework-Team] PLIP 228: Restore 'Add Item..' menu on all pages

2008-09-27 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Wichert Akkerman wrote: > I guess I'm the first one. I want to propose PLIP 228 for Plone 3.3. Ok, second, Hanno got there first :) Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simpl

[Framework-Team] PLIP 228: Restore 'Add Item..' menu on all pages

2008-09-27 Thread Wichert Akkerman
I guess I'm the first one. I want to propose PLIP 228 for Plone 3.3. I feel that removing the removal of the 'Add Item' dropdown in many places in Plone 3 is a regression in behaviour, and makes adding content a lot more cumbersome. The PLIP has so far only received positive responses from several

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Jon Stahl
Heh. I seem to have opened up an interesting thread of conversation. Which, I suppose, was half of what I subconsciously intended. ;-) I agree with Hanno that the current scope of the FWT is indeed limited. And it was not really fair of me to imply that the FWT should pick up the longer-term

[Framework-Team] PLIP 237 for Plone 3.3 - Minor i18n upgrades

2008-09-27 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. I'd like to propose to accept PLIP 237 - Minor i18n upgrades for Plone 3.3. The full text is at http://plone.org/products/plone/roadmap/237. Short version: Ship PloneLanguageTool 2.1 instead of 2.0 and PlacelessTranslationService 1.5 instead of 1.4 with Plone 3.3. Hanno __

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Hanno Schlichting
I'd guess this makes a good candidate for an in-person discussion at the conference :) My main point is probably, that we all have been too busy and we need to drive Plone forward now or it will never happen. I'm also extremely scared by key people leaving the community all the time, without an eq

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hanno Schlichting wrote: The problem I have with the current state is that we have been exceedingly bad at looking at maintenance cost of new technology we use and features we include. Consensus building so far has most of the time meant, that we do include new features all the time. There's no

[Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Martin Aspeli wrote: > Tres Seaver wrote: > >> It seems to me that not having continuity of architectural vision across >> releases, including the ability to remove broken / abandoned components, >> is a really dangerous place for Plone to be. > > I think there is architectural vision in Plone, b

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: random thought: identify the components that lack owners

2008-09-27 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Aspeli wrote: > [1] Perhaps the KSS vs. Bling debate of yore came close dexterity vs devilstick could be the next one -- Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard to make things simple.