[Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1

2008-02-01 Thread Alexander Limi
Hi, This isn't strictly a framework team subject, but thought I'd give a little heads-up on something Hanno and myself have been discussing: For Plone 3.1, I want to do a big translation push. Our goal is to get the 40 languages that cover more than 99% of the world's online population as

Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1

2008-02-01 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Alexander Limi wrote: Hi, This isn't strictly a framework team subject, but thought I'd give a little heads-up on something Hanno and myself have been discussing: For Plone 3.1, I want to do a big translation push. Our goal is to get the 40 languages that cover more than

[Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Alexander Limi
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:01:42 -0800, Alec Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a buildout for the local roles PLIP (208) ready: https://svn.plone.org/svn/plone/review/plip208-localroles Just a general question here, while I remember it: When things like this happen, shouldn't

pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Alexander Limi wrote: You probably see where I'm going with this, but: I'd like to ship 3.1 with a set of .po files that do not contain the strings from Plone 2.5. Hanno said it would take him a couple of hours to weed out the stuff that is 2.5-specific, and

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote: Just a general question here, while I remember it: When things like this happen, shouldn't packages be renamed to plone.localrole instead of borg.localrole? hmm, i'm not sure. it would surely lessen confusion, but otoh a lot of packages

Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 11:51 AM, Andreas Zeidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: talking about weeding out stuff bring another thing to mind. not exactly related to translations, but i'll throw it in here anyway: tools like pylint[1] and pyflakes[2] have

Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: [3] which basically means all packages except `statusmessages` (guess who owns that ;)) as you can see from the attached list counting the warnings; i should note that this list still contains warnings about namespace package

Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
On 01.02.2008, at 12:07, Andreas Zeidler wrote: On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Feb 1, 2008 11:51 AM, Andreas Zeidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: talking about weeding out stuff bring another thing to mind. not exactly related to translations, but i'll throw it in here

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
updates and fixes would only go into the new package. of course, we'd leave the old packages around. and, of course, maintaining two branches just for naming reasons is out of the question. we can add a note in README.txt or somesuch and make an announcement at the product's PSC presence.

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hi Tom, On 01/02/2008, Tom Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to make a case for 'building the plone brand' not only for the integrator/user audience (as we already are doing) but also for the develeoper audience. let's not be too shy or modest here. borg is as 'plonish' in regard to its

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
i'd like to make a case for 'building the plone brand' not only for the integrator/user audience (as we already are doing) but also for the develeoper audience. let's not be too shy or modest here. borg is as 'plonish' in regard to its cleanliness, documentation, extensibility etc. as it

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: -1 to renaming everthing plone.*. When things begin outside Plone (which we should encourage), then we can't necessarily insist that they are called plone.* (in fact, we'd probably discourage it if it wasn't intended to be eventually destined for

Re: [Framework-Team] review deadline coming up

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Jan 31, 2008, at 9:28 PM, Andreas Zeidler wrote: [*] 17 submitted bundles times 2 makes 34 reviews, which results in 6.8 for each team member i've just noticed that PLIP 215 was missing from the list, since it wasn't marked as having a bundle available yet. so we've got 18 packages,

Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Tom Lazar wrote: On 01.02.2008, at 12:07, Andreas Zeidler wrote: yes, i'm very much aware of these problems having used pyflakes myself for quite some time now. that's one of the reasons i'm bringing this up here (instead of starting to weed away on trunk :)).

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Tom Lazar wrote: updates and fixes would only go into the new package. of course, we'd leave the old packages around. right, but actually that's what i meant — it would leave many people stuck with the old, non-maintained version... we can add a note in

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Tom Lazar
i think the penalty aspect martin mentions (apart from the effort involved in renaming, which could be spent easily elsewhere) pretty much does it for me. i rest my case. cheers, tom (who may be vain, but not passionately so ;-) On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: Hi Tom,

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: PLIPs 208 and 217 Ready for Review

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Tom Lazar wrote: [...] but to 'simulate diversity' by letting our own packages keep their initial, non-plone name when integrating them into plone core doesn't strike me as particularly desirable (or straightforward, for that matter), either. my point was more

[Framework-Team] Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Florian Schulze
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:34:01 +0100, Andreas Zeidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Feb 1, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tom Lazar wrote: given the aforementioned possibility of 3rd party breakage i think it's plain that 'pyflakes sanity' is a no-go for 3.1 but perhaps

Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: [Framework-Team] Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On 1. feb.. 2008, at 12.28, Martin Aspeli wrote: Careful with weeding imports. I recently had to fix a migration issue for a customer, where a persistent tool had been moved into another module with an import at the old location. Someone else

Re: [Framework-Team] Re: pyflakes? (was: Re: Translation effort for Plone 3.1)

2008-02-01 Thread Andreas Zeidler
On Feb 1, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Florian Schulze wrote: On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:34:01 +0100, Andreas Zeidler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so, how about this? deprecating imports in interface packages, which are not used in plone core, is okay as well as removing unused import from any other package?