[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-24 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Jens W. Klein wrote:
 In your PLIPs you wrote i.e. here https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8593 
 to remove parts out of Plone the Product. I fully agree to remove 
 features from the core! 
 
 But I think if we do so, there should be a set of Managed Plone 
 Products. Important add-ons like LinguaPlone or the removed parts should 
 get in a managed by the Plone [Foundation|Team X] state.

[...]

 If current teams structure is not sufficient for this task, we could 
 introduce a new Add-On Team. 

I think none of the current teams or structures we have is able to do
the job of maintaining a list of recommended / proven / better /
whatever list.

There have been numerous discussions around this topic and various ideas
on how to solve this (community rating, automatic metrics,
self-certified criteria, ...) but so far there is neither a consensus
nor someone dedicated to own the task.

I'd very much welcome if someone would step up for this, but I'm not
willing to have this block the removal of unmaintained code anymore ;)

Hanno


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[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-23 Thread Jens W. Klein
In your PLIPs you wrote i.e. here https://dev.plone.org/plone/ticket/8593 
to remove parts out of Plone the Product. I fully agree to remove 
features from the core! 

But I think if we do so, there should be a set of Managed Plone 
Products. Important add-ons like LinguaPlone or the removed parts should 
get in a managed by the Plone [Foundation|Team X] state.

In my opinion major tasks of this group of people are i.e.: 
* identify important add-ons, 
* ask the maintainer/author of the add-on if she/he agrees,
* manage a list of those add-ons, 
* do quality assurance on those add-ons 
* ensure an upgrade path to new plone releases,
* look at plips and how they may influence managed add-ons.

The list of add-ons should be short and only widely used features should 
make it onto it. I think here of modules like LinguaPlone, PloneFormGen, 
Collage, archetypes.schemaextender.

IMO it is very important to ensure important add-ons to be compatible 
with future plone releases. This gives trust to integrators of Plone.

Risk: Modules not on this list get underestimated. Which would be wrong.

If current teams structure is not sufficient for this task, we could 
introduce a new Add-On Team. 

Opinions?

-- Jens Klein


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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-23 Thread Ricardo Alves

Alexander Limi wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:06:38 -0800, Hanno Schlichting 
hanno...@hannosch.eu wrote:



I've started to write up initial PLIP drafts for the major changes that
have already been implemented on SVN trunk and that I want to do for
4.0. They can be found in Trac and are associated with the 4.0 
milestone.


And here's a first stab at a report to track these:
http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/24



Sorry if I missed some discussion/decision on this, but the place for 
PLIP submission is now trac? Or are these just drafts that will 
eventually origin PLIP's at plone.org?



Ricardo




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[Framework-Team] Re: [plone4] - Initial PLIP drafts coming in

2008-12-22 Thread Alexander Limi
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:06:38 -0800, Hanno Schlichting  
hanno...@hannosch.eu wrote:



I've started to write up initial PLIP drafts for the major changes that
have already been implemented on SVN trunk and that I want to do for
4.0. They can be found in Trac and are associated with the 4.0 milestone.


And here's a first stab at a report to track these:
http://dev.plone.org/plone/report/24

(we should probably add component in the table too, but my SQL-fu is  
weak ;)


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