[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
Hanno Schlichting wrote: 1.8 (2008-04-05) Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the zope.conf setting. [hannosch] One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for years. I've updated http://plone.org/documentation/manual/developer-manual/managing-projects-with-buildout/creating-a-buildout-for-your-project to reflect the availability of this command: Running: bin/instance console is equivalent to bin/instance fg, but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the debug-mode setting in buildout.cfg. This can be useful to run Zope in non-development mode with daemon-control programs like supervisord. I hope it's ok. :) -- israel ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
2010/1/6 Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net: On 2010-01-05, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of fg? You don't use start for that, do you? I guess I never do that. :) Since when have we had that? Since we use buildout or to be more precise, April 2008. Let me quote the PyPi page: 1.8 (2008-04-05) Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the zope.conf setting. [hannosch] One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for years. Heh, good. :) I've been using a lower level script (run.py or something, deep inside Zope) in supervisord that I guess does the same thing. So are they the same or not? If so, then we can stop feeling like idiots for missing 'bin/instance console' and continuing to use runzope ;-) I'm getting the impression 'bin/instance console' is just a convenience. Since plone.recipe.zope2instance puts the egg paths in the instance zope.conf, parts/instance/bin/runzope should be equivalent I think. Laurence ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Laurence Rowe l...@lrowe.co.uk wrote: 2010/1/6 Alex Clark acl...@aclark.net: So are they the same or not? If so, then we can stop feeling like idiots for missing 'bin/instance console' and continuing to use runzope ;-) I'm getting the impression 'bin/instance console' is just a convenience. In the end both of them prepare an OS environment and execute Zope2/Startup/run.py. The main difference is that bin/instance is easier to type and is a Python script. sh parts/instance/runzope is a Unix shell script, so it's not available on all platforms. And in the zope2instance version used for Plone 4 runzope does no longer exist. Since plone.recipe.zope2instance puts the egg paths in the instance zope.conf, parts/instance/bin/runzope should be equivalent I think. Not quite. The recipe used to construct a Python path and put it into runzope ;-) But luckily we don't have to do that anymore, as buildout takes care of all that script generation stuff and constructing the right sys.path for us. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
On 2010-01-05, Martin Aspeli optilude+li...@gmail.com wrote: Hanno Schlichting wrote: A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of fg? You don't use start for that, do you? I guess I never do that. :) Since when have we had that? Since we use buildout or to be more precise, April 2008. Let me quote the PyPi page: 1.8 (2008-04-05) Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the zope.conf setting. [hannosch] One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for years. Heh, good. :) I've been using a lower level script (run.py or something, deep inside Zope) in supervisord that I guess does the same thing. So are they the same or not? If so, then we can stop feeling like idiots for missing 'bin/instance console' and continuing to use runzope ;-) I'm getting the impression 'bin/instance console' is just a convenience. Martin ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
Eric Steele wrote: Personally I disagree with some of the choices mentioned in the PLIP (like shipping the unmaintained Clouseau, using eggtractor where buildout covers the same use-case today, turning on debug-mode in zope.conf, which should only be done via bin/instance fg vs. bin/instance console) A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. You mean that wasn't a typo? /me is astonished. :) Since when have we had that? Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of fg? You don't use start for that, do you? Since when have we had that? Since we use buildout or to be more precise, April 2008. Let me quote the PyPi page: 1.8 (2008-04-05) Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the zope.conf setting. [hannosch] One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for years. Hanno ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
Hanno Schlichting wrote: A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that. Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of fg? You don't use start for that, do you? I guess I never do that. :) Since when have we had that? Since we use buildout or to be more precise, April 2008. Let me quote the PyPi page: 1.8 (2008-04-05) Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the zope.conf setting. [hannosch] One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for years. Heh, good. :) I've been using a lower level script (run.py or something, deep inside Zope) in supervisord that I guess does the same thing. Martin -- Author of `Professional Plone Development`, a book for developers who want to work with Plone. See http://martinaspeli.net/plone-book ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)
David Glick wrote: Man, I even vaguely remember seeing that changelog entry go by, but completely forgot about it. We've been using parts/instance/bin/runzope with supervisord; this is better. David I worded that ambiguously. I meant that using bin/instance console is better. David -- David Glick Web Developer Groundwire 206.286.1235x32 davidgl...@groundwire.org http://groundwire.org ONE/Northwest is now Groundwire! ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
