Re: [Frameworks] streaming media options?

[jaime cleeland]

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  On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 6:00, rob...@ontosmedia.com 
wrote:   I have another question that I would like to throw out to the 
collective knowledge of the frameworks community.

If one wants wants to put digital videos online on a streaming server, are 
there non-commercial options (that is, not youtube and not vimeo) could anyone 
recommend?

I figure this would include existing services one might use, and also setting 
up a streaming feature on ones own website (say, using php or the like).

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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[Frameworks] streaming media options?

[robert]

I have another question that I would like to throw out to the collective 
knowledge of the frameworks community.

If one wants wants to put digital videos online on a streaming server, are 
there non-commercial options (that is, not youtube and not vimeo) could anyone 
recommend?

I figure this would include existing services one might use, and also setting 
up a streaming feature on ones own website (say, using php or the like).

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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Re: [Frameworks] How do people encode DVDs for international distribution? NTSC / PAL?

[Robert Schaller]

Thanks for all the helpful advice!  

--RS

> On Jan 5, 2020, at 8:33 AM, FrameWorks Admin  wrote:
> 
> Dear Taka,
> For your films in distribution for public screening (16mm prints at Light 
> Cone etc) the speed is correct of course.
> At Re:Voir we are just selling the DVDs you produce in Tokyo and send to us. 
> I suppose they are playing at 25fps. But they are only for home use and not 
> used in public screenings. 
> Your films such as “24 frames a second” would be impossible to show correctly 
> from DVD, I’m afraid. Whereas VOD, file streaming or Blu-Ray can run at 24.
> Pip
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Takahiko iimura  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Pip
>> Good to hear on speed from you.
>> I have given many prints of my film to Re-Voir for distribution which were 
>> made mostly in the US with 24 fps, I believe.
>> Does it affect for your distribution and screening in Europe? And if so, 
>> what has been done to correct the speed?
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Michael Betancourt]

This is a fairly common problem with Apple and the video codecs included
with their OS. Apple has a tendency to make undocumented (or at least not
public) changes to even commom video codecs such as H.264 so that older
files encoded with them do not always play correctly, if at all. Since some
files play and others don't, it sounds like you have a compatibility issue
and it either has settings that are not longer recognized, or uses a codec
you just don't have any more.
You can get some work arounds, such as Parian that help a lot, but building
a library of codecs that you (re)install with each new machine is the only
way I've found to consistently escape this problem.

Michael Betancourt
Savannah, GA USA


michaelbetancourt.com | vimeo.com/cinegraphic


On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:23 PM Dominic Angerame 
wrote:

> Thanks for all this.. I do backup everything on Time Machine once an hour.
> I did not heed the warning on Premier. The type was so small and was
> talking about tech things beyond my knowledge so I ignored it. For some
> reason it is now reading my newest film o 2020 Premier however all my edits
> are gone, so I need to start all over. I was just in the final stage of
> completion. However when an operating system will not open “Quick Time”
> that has been supported for years is just not correct. Some of my files are
> opening and it is taking a long time. They are all backed up on an external
> hard drive but what good are they if I cannot open the files to edit.
>
> D
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:
>
> On 1/10/2020 12:35 PM, Adam Hyman wrote:
>
> First, to help others before they run into this, there are several general
> rules before updating an Operating System.
> 1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
> 2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive
>
> I was going to reply similarly, but did not want to seem obnoxious about
> it. I second, third, and fourth Adam's comments. Perhaps these warnings
> will benefit others, though I thought everyone knew to back up by now.  It
> has been known for decades that hard drives can fail unexpectedly and
> unpredictably. All hard drives. I actually have four complete physical
> backups, on multiple exterma; hard drives, and they are divided into two
> different locations, in case of burglary or fire. Also consider additional
> cloud backup. I used to have that, and am planning to add it again. One
> should never depend on a single computer for data.
>
> Similarly, I no longer accept "my computer crashed" (the modern equivalent
> of the old "The dog ate my homework") from students. My syllabi now
> required backing up assignments to a cloud service while you work. In a
> crash, go to a library computer and continue. If there is a massive failure
> of, say, a Microsoft cloud backup, yes, I will accept that as an excuse.
>
> In Dominic's case, though, could the files still exist, and just not be
> readable by this new "insanely great" trash-the-past OS?
>
> I have never used Apple. I really loathe Apple, but will spare you the
> reasons here. But there is also a lesson from the PC world, going back 25
> years to Windows95: it can be unsafe to switch a computer to a new OS.
> Therefore, I have never done this. The reasons make sense; a new OS changes
> a lot of things, and there might even be hardware incompatabilities. Wait
> until you get a new computer with a new OS.
> Fred Camper
> Chicago
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Adam Hyman]

Good suggestions, but if one can¹t afford two computers, the rule here is

Never Change Operating Systems in the Middle of Editing a Project.  Try
not to change the editing software either.

Wait until it is done, really really done.  After all the fixes after the
sound mix.  Or never update the OS.

On 1/10/20, 12:27 PM, "FrameWorks on behalf of Scott Dorsey"

wrote:

>Don't blame Apple for this.
>
>If you want a stable system, take it off the internet and lock it down.
>Don't install updates, don't make any system changes.  Backup your work
>daily and every six months or so use clonezilla or something similar to
>take an image of it.
>
>Once you put the system on the internet you are dealing with the internet
>environment, which includes lots of bad people who are constantly
>searching
>for the latest vulnerability in your system, and lots of people who are
>good but severely misguided who are constantly updating websites and web
>applications to require the latest browser and other updates on your
>desktop
>computer.
>
>You don't want to deal with this with an editing workstation.  If you want
>to edit, don't do it on the computer you surf the web with, don't do it on
>a machine that you do anything else with.
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Dominic Angerame]

PPS. This is all way beyond my pay grade, glad I still have two complete 
editing benches and a working flatbed and celluloid.

d

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
> 
> Don't blame Apple for this.
> 
> If you want a stable system, take it off the internet and lock it down.
> Don't install updates, don't make any system changes.  Backup your work
> daily and every six months or so use clonezilla or something similar to
> take an image of it.
> 
> Once you put the system on the internet you are dealing with the internet
> environment, which includes lots of bad people who are constantly searching
> for the latest vulnerability in your system, and lots of people who are
> good but severely misguided who are constantly updating websites and web
> applications to require the latest browser and other updates on your desktop
> computer.
> 
> You don't want to deal with this with an editing workstation.  If you want
> to edit, don't do it on the computer you surf the web with, don't do it on
> a machine that you do anything else with.
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Scott Dorsey]

Don't blame Apple for this.

If you want a stable system, take it off the internet and lock it down.
Don't install updates, don't make any system changes.  Backup your work
daily and every six months or so use clonezilla or something similar to
take an image of it.

Once you put the system on the internet you are dealing with the internet
environment, which includes lots of bad people who are constantly searching
for the latest vulnerability in your system, and lots of people who are
good but severely misguided who are constantly updating websites and web
applications to require the latest browser and other updates on your desktop
computer.

You don't want to deal with this with an editing workstation.  If you want
to edit, don't do it on the computer you surf the web with, don't do it on
a machine that you do anything else with.
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Dominic Angerame]

Ps Thanks Adam for this detailed explanation. What else can I say we all know 
data is not imagery.

d

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:
> 
> On 1/10/2020 12:35 PM, Adam Hyman wrote:
>> First, to help others before they run into this, there are several general 
>> rules before updating an Operating System.
>> 1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
>> 2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive
>> 
> I was going to reply similarly, but did not want to seem obnoxious about it. 
> I second, third, and fourth Adam's comments. Perhaps these warnings will 
> benefit others, though I thought everyone knew to back up by now.  It has 
> been known for decades that hard drives can fail unexpectedly and 
> unpredictably. All hard drives. I actually have four complete physical 
> backups, on multiple exterma; hard drives, and they are divided into two 
> different locations, in case of burglary or fire. Also consider additional 
> cloud backup. I used to have that, and am planning to add it again. One 
> should never depend on a single computer for data.
> 
> Similarly, I no longer accept "my computer crashed" (the modern equivalent of 
> the old "The dog ate my homework") from students. My syllabi now required 
> backing up assignments to a cloud service while you work. In a crash, go to a 
> library computer and continue. If there is a massive failure of, say, a 
> Microsoft cloud backup, yes, I will accept that as an excuse.
> 
> In Dominic's case, though, could the files still exist, and just not be 
> readable by this new "insanely great" trash-the-past OS?
> 
> I have never used Apple. I really loathe Apple, but will spare you the 
> reasons here. But there is also a lesson from the PC world, going back 25 
> years to Windows95: it can be unsafe to switch a computer to a new OS. 
> Therefore, I have never done this. The reasons make sense; a new OS changes a 
> lot of things, and there might even be hardware incompatabilities. Wait until 
> you get a new computer with a new OS.
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Dominic Angerame]

Thanks for all this.. I do backup everything on Time Machine once an hour. I 
did not heed the warning on Premier. The type was so small and was talking 
about tech things beyond my knowledge so I ignored it. For some reason it is 
now reading my newest film o 2020 Premier however all my edits are gone, so I 
need to start all over. I was just in the final stage of completion. However 
when an operating system will not open “Quick Time” that has been supported for 
years is just not correct. Some of my files are opening and it is taking a long 
time. They are all backed up on an external hard drive but what good are they 
if I cannot open the files to edit.

D

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Fred Camper  wrote:
> 
> On 1/10/2020 12:35 PM, Adam Hyman wrote:
>> First, to help others before they run into this, there are several general 
>> rules before updating an Operating System.
>> 1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
>> 2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive
>> 
> I was going to reply similarly, but did not want to seem obnoxious about it. 
> I second, third, and fourth Adam's comments. Perhaps these warnings will 
> benefit others, though I thought everyone knew to back up by now.  It has 
> been known for decades that hard drives can fail unexpectedly and 
> unpredictably. All hard drives. I actually have four complete physical 
> backups, on multiple exterma; hard drives, and they are divided into two 
> different locations, in case of burglary or fire. Also consider additional 
> cloud backup. I used to have that, and am planning to add it again. One 
> should never depend on a single computer for data.
> 
> Similarly, I no longer accept "my computer crashed" (the modern equivalent of 
> the old "The dog ate my homework") from students. My syllabi now required 
> backing up assignments to a cloud service while you work. In a crash, go to a 
> library computer and continue. If there is a massive failure of, say, a 
> Microsoft cloud backup, yes, I will accept that as an excuse.
> 
> In Dominic's case, though, could the files still exist, and just not be 
> readable by this new "insanely great" trash-the-past OS?
> 
> I have never used Apple. I really loathe Apple, but will spare you the 
> reasons here. But there is also a lesson from the PC world, going back 25 
> years to Windows95: it can be unsafe to switch a computer to a new OS. 
> Therefore, I have never done this. The reasons make sense; a new OS changes a 
> lot of things, and there might even be hardware incompatabilities. Wait until 
> you get a new computer with a new OS.
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Fred Camper]

On 1/10/2020 12:35 PM, Adam Hyman wrote:
First, to help others before they run into this, there are several 
general rules before updating an Operating System.

1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive

I was going to reply similarly, but did not want to seem obnoxious about 
it. I second, third, and fourth Adam's comments. Perhaps these warnings 
will benefit others, though I thought everyone knew to back up by now.  
It has been known for decades that hard drives can fail unexpectedly and 
unpredictably. All hard drives. I actually have four complete physical 
backups, on multiple exterma; hard drives, and they are divided into two 
different locations, in case of burglary or fire. Also consider 
additional cloud backup. I used to have that, and am planning to add it 
again. One should never depend on a single computer for data.


Similarly, I no longer accept "my computer crashed" (the modern 
equivalent of the old "The dog ate my homework") from students. My 
syllabi now required backing up assignments to a cloud service while you 
work. In a crash, go to a library computer and continue. If there is a 
massive failure of, say, a Microsoft cloud backup, yes, I will accept 
that as an excuse.


In Dominic's case, though, could the files still exist, and just not be 
readable by this new "insanely great" trash-the-past OS?


I have never used Apple. I really loathe Apple, but will spare you the 
reasons here. But there is also a lesson from the PC world, going back 
25 years to Windows95: it can be unsafe to switch a computer to a new 
OS. Therefore, I have never done this. The reasons make sense; a new OS 
changes a lot of things, and there might even be hardware 
incompatabilities. Wait until you get a new computer with a new OS.


Fred Camper
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[robert]

Thank you, Adam, for putting this so clearly!  It explains the periodic 
warnings I get about programs I run being incompatible with future OS 
releases.


I'm sorry to hear Dominic and others are suffering because of Apple's 
callous imposition.


--RS

On 2020-01-10 11:35, Adam Hyman wrote:

Yes, they are tech companies who are trying to sell things under the
guise that it helps your creativity.  They are criminal in the way
that all wealthy people and companies under capitalism are criminal.
Also remember, that Apple is trying to get everyone to move things to
the Cloud, and then they can charge you for using their cloud.

First, to help others before they run into this, there are several
general rules before updating an Operating System.
1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive
And ideally,
3. If on a Mac, use Time Machine regularly so you have a third backup.
 Disconnect it before upgrading the OS (reconnect it only when the new
OS is working to your liking)
4. In general, always have all your media on at least two separate
hard drives always, because all hard drives die at some point.  Never
have your media only on your computer.

Then
If your system is working for you, DON'T update the OS, no matter how
many times they encourage you to.  (I'm still running El Capitan)
And if you think you want to update the OS, first look around online
to see what issues & problems people have had when changing to that
OS.
PEOPLE HAVE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH CATALINA.  FOR ONE THING, IT
DOESN’T LET YOU PLAY MEDIA IN MANY OLDER CODECS.

THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.  AGAIN, THE CATALINA UPDATE HAS MADE IT
NOT POSSIBLE TO SEE MEDIA FILES WITH OLDER CODECS.  READ THIS PAGE AT
LENGTH:

HTTPS://LARRYJORDAN.COM/BLOG/IMPORTANT-DONT-LOSE-ACCESS-TO-OLDER-MEDIA/

"NOTE: TO BE VERY CLEAR, APPLE CONFIRMED THAT “MACOS MOJAVE —
INCLUDING ALL DOT RELEASES OF THIS OPERATING SYSTEM — WILL BE
THE LAST MAJOR VERSION OF MACOS TO SUPPORT THE LEGACY 32-BIT CODECS
IDENTIFIED IN THIS ARTICLE.”
"You may have seen the ominous warning in Final Cut about legacy
media. Apple released an update to their KnowledgeBase website which
includes MUCH more detail on what codecs are affected and which ones
are not."

Here's the link: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209000
For helping with this issue, have you spent time in Apple Forums
asking this question, and checking other google searches asking this
question?  You are probably not the first person to have this issue.
Are the files actually gone (have you searched your hard drive, in
your library, etc), or are you not able to access them through the
pathway or program that you had been using?

Here are some discussions with different answers:
First, from the Larry Jordan thread above:
"I recently migrated to Catalina, and am one of those who didn't have
my eye on this upcoming problem. Once in the 64-bit Catalina world, I
can no longer open older codec MOV files, even in Compressor, and
therefore am having trouble figuring out how to convert them. Do you
have any suggestions for how to address this now, without having to
revert my entire OS to 32-bit or create a whole additional partition
on the machine? Thanks!"
"Laurence:  Smile… I've been expecting your email since I first
started writing about how Catalina is making older media inaccessible
a year ago.  However, there's hope! Check out the latest version of
Kyno (1.7) from LessPain Software. It can convert legacy media even
after you've updated to Catalina. (https://lesspain.software/kyno/) "
-- Larry
"Just when I think I understand Catalina I read a tweet or article
that confuses me…  So there's no longer a Macintosh HD > Library >
QuickTime folder with .components, correct? I don't have access to a
machine with Catalina to look."
"That folder and the components it contains is still there. What isn't
there is support for older 32-bit codecs."

Apparently Premiere, and possibly Avid, can still open the older
media, maybe.

These are generally dealing with documents not media files:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250742021
https://www.doyourdata.com/mac-data-recovery/recover-lost-files-after-upgrade-to-macos-catalina.html
https://iboysoft.com/mac-data-recovery/recover-lost-data-after-macos-update.html
https://www.stellarinfo.com/article/recover-files-after-mac-catalina-upgrade.php

Some things that come up are in the first discussion thread above are:

"I just saw a new folder on my desktop titled Relocated Items
evidently created by the upgrade containing the missing data. The
'what are relocated item' document indicates missing files/folders are
in a location incompatible with macOS security settings. Am I to
understand that I can no longer create a folder on my HD?"
"No, you can't. In Catalina, the system is a separate, read-only
volume. You can't create folders on the top level of the drive."
"Thanks Luis, for a moment I thought I was really screwed. Can I

Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Jeff Kreines]

On Jan 10, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Adam Hyman  wrote:
> 
> Yes, they are tech companies who are trying to sell things under the guise 
> that it helps your creativity.  They are criminal in the way that all wealthy 
> people and companies under capitalism are criminal.

I’m not a fan of Adobe nor of FCPX. You might consider Blackmagic’s Resolve, 
which comes in a free version with most features enabled, and a paid version 
for $299 with perpetual free upgrades. 

Mac and PC and Unix versions. Works with lots of codecs. It’s the best software 
for grading and finishing, IMHO, and the editing and audio sections are now 
very good. 

It doesn’t cost anything to try, and no monthly tithing. 




Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Adam Hyman]

Yes, they are tech companies who are trying to sell things under the guise
that it helps your creativity.  They are criminal in the way that all
wealthy people and companies under capitalism are criminal.  Also remember,
that Apple is trying to get everyone to move things to the Cloud, and then
they can charge you for using their cloud.

First, to help others before they run into this, there are several general
rules before updating an Operating System.
1. Always backup everything to an external hard drive
2. Always backup everything to a second external hard drive
And ideally,
3. If on a Mac, use Time Machine regularly so you have a third backup.
Disconnect it before upgrading the OS (reconnect it only when the new OS is
working to your liking)
4. In general, always have all your media on at least two separate hard
drives always, because all hard drives die at some point.  Never have your
media only on your computer.

Then
If your system is working for you, DON'T update the OS, no matter how many
times they encourage you to.  (I¹m still running El Capitan)
And if you think you want to update the OS, first look around online to see
what issues & problems people have had when changing to that OS.
People have had a lot of issues with Catalina.  For one thing, it doesn¹t
let you play media in many older codecs.

This is an important issue.  Again, the Catalina update has made it not
possible to see media files with older codecs.  Read this page at length:

https://larryjordan.com/blog/important-dont-lose-access-to-older-media/

"NOTE: To be very clear, Apple confirmed that ³macOS Mojave ‹ including all
dot releases of this operating system ‹ will be
the last major version of macOS to support the legacy 32-bit codecs
identified in this article.²
"You may have seen the ominous warning in Final Cut about legacy media.
Apple released an update to their KnowledgeBase website which includes MUCH
more detail on what codecs are affected and which ones are not."
Here¹s the link: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209000

For helping with this issue, have you spent time in Apple Forums asking this
question, and checking other google searches asking this question?  You are
probably not the first person to have this issue.  Are the files actually
gone (have you searched your hard drive, in your library, etc), or are you
not able to access them through the pathway or program that you had been
using?  

Here are some discussions with different answers:
First, from the Larry Jordan thread above:
"I recently migrated to Catalina, and am one of those who didn¹t have my eye
on this upcoming problem. Once in the 64-bit Catalina world, I can no longer
open older codec MOV files, even in Compressor, and therefore am having
trouble figuring out how to convert them. Do you have any suggestions for
how to address this now, without having to revert my entire OS to 32-bit or
create a whole additional partition on the machine? Thanks!²
³Laurence:  SmileŠ I¹ve been expecting your email since I first started
writing about how Catalina is making older media inaccessible a year ago.
However, there¹s hope! Check out the latest version of Kyno (1.7) from
LessPain Software. It can convert legacy media even after you¹ve updated to
Catalina. (https://lesspain.software/kyno/) ³ ‹ Larry
³Just when I think I understand Catalina I read a tweet or article that
confuses meŠ  So there¹s no longer a Macintosh HD > Library > QuickTime
folder with .components, correct? I don¹t have access to a machine with
Catalina to look.²
"That folder and the components it contains is still there. What isn¹t there
is support for older 32-bit codecs.²

Apparently Premiere, and possibly Avid, can still open the older media,
maybe.

These are generally dealing with documents not media files:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250742021
https://www.doyourdata.com/mac-data-recovery/recover-lost-files-after-upgrad
e-to-macos-catalina.html
https://iboysoft.com/mac-data-recovery/recover-lost-data-after-macos-update.
html
https://www.stellarinfo.com/article/recover-files-after-mac-catalina-upgrade
.php

Some things that come up are in the first discussion thread above are:

"I just saw a new folder on my desktop titled Relocated Items evidently
created by the upgrade containing the missing data. The 'what are relocated
item' document indicates missing files/folders are in a location
incompatible with macOS security settings.  Am I to understand that I can no
longer create a folder on my HD?²
"No, you can¹t. In Catalina, the system is a separate, read-only volume. You
can't create folders on the top level of the drive.²
"Thanks Luis, for a moment I thought I was really screwed.  Can I reasonably
assume that I can move the contents of the relocated item folder to any
place I want?²
"Yes, you can move them and place them in any convenient place.²

Do you see a folder like that?  If so, move it first to an external drive or
two, then to a useful place on your computer.  But you 

[Frameworks] Ken Jacobs screening in New York tomorrow Jan 11

[FrameWorks Admin]

Dear friends,
Ken Jacobs was afraid there was not much publicity for this screening so I am 
spreading the word.
Best wishes!
Pip

https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/6323

Jan 11 MoMA 7pm. URBAN PEASANTS.  THINGS TO COME.   RUBBLE
 

 

Reserve free member tickets 

 

 

This program, featuring the theatrical premieres of MoMA’s restored Urban 
Peasants and recent digital works by Jacobs, acknowledges the legendary 
avant-garde filmmaker’s enduring engagement with the “folk art” of the amateur. 
Ken Jacobs will join us to introduce a new work, to be announced.

Urban Peasants. 1975. USA. Directed by Ken Jacobs. 60 min.

Using silent home movies, shot in Brooklyn by his wife’s aunt Stella Weiss in 
the late 1930s, and a Yiddish-language recording, Jacobs fashions a moving 
meditation that plays on our awareness of the Holocaust accumulating abroad on 
the eve of the Second World War.

Things to Come. 2019. Directed by Ken Jacobs. USA. 35 min.

Jacobs’s hypnotic “3-D” adaptation of New York 1911, a long-forgotten Swedish 
documentary restored by MoMA in 2017, is representative of his current work.___
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Re: [Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Dominic Angerame]

Ty, for some reason Premier 2020 opened one file…we have no control over what 
these software folks do to us. It is almost criminal if not unethical and no 
regard for medium itself and those that use it for creativity.


d

> On Jan 10, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Joan Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> what a drag!  I’m sorry I can’t help but wanted to send sympathy. Joan
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Dominic Angerame  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I lost all my media and quick time files with this upgrade to Catalina. 
>> Anyone have any idea how I can retrieve them.
>> 
>> Thanks much
>> 
>> Dominic
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[Frameworks] Mac OS Catalina

[Dominic Angerame]

Hi I lost all my media and quick time files with this upgrade to Catalina. 
Anyone have any idea how I can retrieve them.

Thanks much

Dominic
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