Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Bernard Roddy]

It's fine. I'm sorry, I don't take interest in the question.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:37 PM John Muse  wrote:

> Hi, Bernard.  I often teach a Film on Photography course and just as often
> include Memento in the syllabus… only to remove it.  Have you taught it?
> How does it work for students?
>
> Thanks!
>
> j
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bernard Roddy  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Albert:
> >
> > This is a nice invitation to read (I quote it below). For me it leaves
> too much to consider. I had two reactions.First, I have been interested in
> conceptual art's use of photography. Under these terms we would have to
> impose a "post-photographic" restriction on what constitutes acceptable
> examples in your list. I would submit a short list of classic texts written
> by artists for publication in 1969 and 1970.
> >
> > But I also just taught a course in which I used standard narrative
> cinema in order to think about traditional philosophical material. And the
> film, Memento, became interesting for reasons having nothing to do with any
> experimental film.
> >
> > Or so it would appear. One could undertake a whole research agenda in
> which the role of memory in the understanding of shot relationships is
> explored. This concerns the experience of the spectator when the questions
> concern the order of events and their causal relationships. In his Matter
> and Memory Henri Bergson was preoccupied by 19th century research that
> involves brain lesions. Bergson uses results in neurophysiology to confirm
> his hypotheses about memory.
> >
> > But it was in order to get a handle on Deleuze's reference to the memory
> image that I found myself reading Bergson. Deleuze is extremely casual with
> terminology, but Bergson isn't. What Deleuze means by the memory image and
> the time image can only be appreciated, of course, by reviewing a history
> of narrative cinema. But what Bergson means when he discusses research into
> memory disorders can be appreciated by any artist working with images that
> replicate perception.
> >
> > In Memento Leonard takes instamatic photographs that are developed
> before his eyes. They are only part of his basis for deciding what he will
> do in the future, but as images fixed on paper they make possible repeated
> experience of the circumstances of some past event.
> >
> > Why burn a photograph documenting something you did? What is the
> significance of a character's understanding of the value of a photograph
> for the understanding that a spectator has of the plot?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
> > - - - - - -
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I
> was
> > wondering if you could suggest more titles.
> >
> > At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted
> > (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis
> > Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides).
> > Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or
> > the invisibility of photographs?
> >
> > On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs.
> > There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of
> > analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of
> > advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images
> > found on the internet:
> >
> > *Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
> > *Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
> > *Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
> > *Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
> > *Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
> > *Wall *by Takashi Ito
> > *Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
> > *Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
> > *DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
> > *The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden
> >
> > Do others come to mind?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Albert Alcoz
> >
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[John Muse]

Hi, Bernard.  I often teach a Film on Photography course and just as often 
include Memento in the syllabus… only to remove it.  Have you taught it?  How 
does it work for students?  

Thanks!

j

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Bernard Roddy  wrote:
> 
> Dear Albert:
> 
> This is a nice invitation to read (I quote it below). For me it leaves too 
> much to consider. I had two reactions.First, I have been interested in 
> conceptual art's use of photography. Under these terms we would have to 
> impose a "post-photographic" restriction on what constitutes acceptable 
> examples in your list. I would submit a short list of classic texts written 
> by artists for publication in 1969 and 1970.
> 
> But I also just taught a course in which I used standard narrative cinema in 
> order to think about traditional philosophical material. And the film, 
> Memento, became interesting for reasons having nothing to do with any 
> experimental film.
> 
> Or so it would appear. One could undertake a whole research agenda in which 
> the role of memory in the understanding of shot relationships is explored. 
> This concerns the experience of the spectator when the questions concern the 
> order of events and their causal relationships. In his Matter and Memory 
> Henri Bergson was preoccupied by 19th century research that involves brain 
> lesions. Bergson uses results in neurophysiology to confirm his hypotheses 
> about memory. 
> 
> But it was in order to get a handle on Deleuze's reference to the memory 
> image that I found myself reading Bergson. Deleuze is extremely casual with 
> terminology, but Bergson isn't. What Deleuze means by the memory image and 
> the time image can only be appreciated, of course, by reviewing a history of 
> narrative cinema. But what Bergson means when he discusses research into 
> memory disorders can be appreciated by any artist working with images that 
> replicate perception.
> 
> In Memento Leonard takes instamatic photographs that are developed before his 
> eyes. They are only part of his basis for deciding what he will do in the 
> future, but as images fixed on paper they make possible repeated experience 
> of the circumstances of some past event.
> 
> Why burn a photograph documenting something you did? What is the significance 
> of a character's understanding of the value of a photograph for the 
> understanding that a spectator has of the plot?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
> - - - - - -
> Hello all,
> 
> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I was
> wondering if you could suggest more titles.
> 
> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted
> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis
> Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides).
> Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or
> the invisibility of photographs?
> 
> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs.
> There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of
> analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of
> advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images
> found on the internet:
> 
> *Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
> *Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
> *Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
> *Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
> *Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
> *Wall *by Takashi Ito
> *Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
> *Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
> *DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
> *The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden
> 
> Do others come to mind?
> 
> Thank you,
> Albert Alcoz
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[John Muse]

Hi, Albert. Please consider adding Agnes Varda’s Ulysse to your list as well as 
the other films in her Cinévardaphoto: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0423987/

And I humbly (and not so humbly) submit the following proposal for your 
consideration: 
https://www.academia.edu/34354327/Film_on_Photography_or_The_Eclipse_of_the_Frame_Impakt_Festival_2017
  There are a few other films worth thinking about here.

j 


> On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I was 
> wondering if you could suggest more titles.
> 
> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted 
> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know (nostalgia) for Hollis Frampton 
> and the project Found Monochromes by David Batchelor (slides). Does anyone 
> know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or the 
> invisibility of photographs?
> 
> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs. There 
> are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of analysis 
> are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of advertising 
> images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images found on the 
> internet:
> 
> Transformation by Holding Time by Paul de Nooijer
> Pasadena Freeway Stills and Hand Held Day by Gary Beydler
> Production Stills by Morgan Fisher
> Frank Film by Frank Mouris
> Boy Meets Girl by Eugènia Balcells
> Wall by Takashi Ito
> Photodiary by Takashi Ito
> Clandestine Porn Film by Augustin Gimel
> DIES IRAE by Jean Gabriel Périot
> The World as Will and Representation de Roy Arden
> 
> Do others come to mind?
> 
> Thank you,
> Albert Alcoz
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Haverford College
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http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
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[Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Bernard Roddy]

Dear Albert:

This is a nice invitation to read (I quote it below). For me it leaves too
much to consider. I had two reactions.First, I have been interested in
conceptual art's use of photography. Under these terms we would have to
impose a "post-photographic" restriction on what constitutes acceptable
examples in your list. I would submit a short list of classic texts written
by artists for publication in 1969 and 1970.

But I also just taught a course in which I used standard narrative cinema
in order to think about traditional philosophical material. And the film,
Memento, became interesting for reasons having nothing to do with any
experimental film.

Or so it would appear. One could undertake a whole research agenda in which
the role of memory in the understanding of shot relationships is explored.
This concerns the experience of the spectator when the questions concern
the order of events and their causal relationships. In his Matter and
Memory Henri Bergson was preoccupied by 19th century research that involves
brain lesions. Bergson uses results in neurophysiology to confirm his
hypotheses about memory.

But it was in order to get a handle on Deleuze's reference to the memory
image that I found myself reading Bergson. Deleuze is extremely casual with
terminology, but Bergson isn't. What Deleuze means by the memory image and
the time image can only be appreciated, of course, by reviewing a history
of narrative cinema. But what Bergson means when he discusses research into
memory disorders can be appreciated by any artist working with images that
replicate perception.

In Memento Leonard takes instamatic photographs that are developed before
his eyes. They are only part of his basis for deciding what he will do in
the future, but as images fixed on paper they make possible repeated
experience of the circumstances of some past event.

Why burn a photograph documenting something you did? What is the
significance of a character's understanding of the value of a photograph
for the understanding that a spectator has of the plot?

Bernie


- - - - - -

Hello all,

I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I was
wondering if you could suggest more titles.

At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted
(burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis
Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides).
Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or
the invisibility of photographs?

On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs.
There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of
analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of
advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images
found on the internet:

*Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
*Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
*Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
*Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
*Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
*Wall *by Takashi Ito
*Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
*Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
*DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
*The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden

Do others come to mind?

Thank you,
Albert Alcoz
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Re: [Frameworks] Source for pdf's?

[Michael Campos-Quinn]

We have a lot of these books in the PFA library (you're in the Bay Area
right?). In the next couple of months when things reopen you will be able
to drop in to read them all you want. And if there's a title we don't have
that you want we can maybe buy it. Public libraries can also request to
borrow titles from other libraries for free, check out Oakland Public
Library and SFPL.

Michael


On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:00 AM Dominic Angerame 
wrote:

> Joel’s book is not very expensive and worth purchasing if you are serious
> about using a Bolex. I wish such a book was available when I first started
> making 16mm films.
>
> Dominic
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Justin Rhody 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can find pdf's of these books?
> (or pdf's of other books you'd recommend?)
>
>
> Experimental Filmmaking : Break the Machine - Kathryn Ramey
> Process Cinema: Handmade Film in the Digital Age - Scott MacKenzie & Janine
> Marchessault
> Grafilm - J. Bryne Daniel
> Experimental filmmaking and the Motion Picture Camera - Joel Schlemowitz
> Making Images Move: Handmade Cinema and the Other Arts - Gregory Zinman
>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Jaime Cleeland]

Pirates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsYxky87L6I

Best
Jaime

Sent from my iPad

> On 9 Jun 2020, at 05:38, Michael Betancourt  
> wrote:
> 
> my movie, Postcard Film 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> mich...@michaelbetancourt.com
> Sent from my phone
> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I was 
>> wondering if you could suggest more titles.
>> 
>> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted 
>> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know (nostalgia) for Hollis 
>> Frampton and the project Found Monochromes by David Batchelor (slides). Does 
>> anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or the 
>> invisibility of photographs?
>> 
>> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs. 
>> There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of 
>> analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of 
>> advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images 
>> found on the internet:
>> 
>> Transformation by Holding Time by Paul de Nooijer
>> Pasadena Freeway Stills and Hand Held Day by Gary Beydler
>> Production Stills by Morgan Fisher
>> Frank Film by Frank Mouris
>> Boy Meets Girl by Eugènia Balcells
>> Wall by Takashi Ito
>> Photodiary by Takashi Ito
>> Clandestine Porn Film by Augustin Gimel
>> DIES IRAE by Jean Gabriel Périot
>> The World as Will and Representation de Roy Arden
>> 
>> Do others come to mind?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Albert Alcoz
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[Frameworks] Supervisuel

[Dominic Angerame]

I have one issue of this magazine Supervisuel #3

Supervisuell #3 Gregory Markopoulis article, STO PALIKARI, article by Jonas 
Mekas, Bridget Hein article and llustration General Info by Robert Nelson 
Cover: “The Mysteries” by Gregory Markopoulis and Photos from Robert Beavers 
“Winged Dialogue” in German and English

If interested contact me off site.

Thanks


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Re: [Frameworks] Source for pdf's?

[Dominic Angerame]

Joel’s book is not very expensive and worth purchasing if you are serious about 
using a Bolex. I wish such a book was available when I first started making 
16mm films.

Dominic

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Justin Rhody  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know where I can find pdf's of these books?
> (or pdf's of other books you'd recommend?)
> 
> 
> Experimental Filmmaking : Break the Machine - Kathryn Ramey
> Process Cinema: Handmade Film in the Digital Age - Scott MacKenzie & Janine 
> Marchessault 
> Grafilm - J. Bryne Daniel
> Experimental filmmaking and the Motion Picture Camera - Joel Schlemowitz
> Making Images Move: Handmade Cinema and the Other Arts - Gregory Zinman
> 
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Albert Alcoz]

Thank you all for this amazing list of films.

As we see this subject is huge because many filmmakers have used
photography or still images to create their films.

I didn't know Gary Beydler's film used a mirror. Never had a chance to see
it. Thank you Dicky and Mark for the explanation. At first, I also had in
mind *One Year Performance* by Tehching Hsie
, yes. But that's another
subject.

Yes, thanks for remembering the names of Takashi Ito and Toshio Matsumato
to all of you. I could discover those amazing films through this program at
the Cinema Project

.

Ignasi, Elena and Peter thank you for the lists. Arthur Lipsett, of course!
*Now!* I remember another film.

It's great to know that moment concerning *True Story* by Robert Frank.
Thanks Eric. In fact, the first idea was to ask just for photographs
destroyed in experimental films.

Some other titles came to my mind recently, after reading your mails:

– Dozens of works by Ken Jacobs where he uses stereoscopic photography
– Paolo Gioli's *L’assassino nudo* about Muybridge
– Thom Andersen's *Eadweard Muybridge, Zoopraxographer*
*–** Photographic Phantoms *by Ernie Gehr?
– *Now!* by Santiago Álvarez
*– Worst Case Scenario* by John Smith (this is another case, though)
– *The Sun is Always Setting Somewhere Else* by Lisa Oppenheim

All the best,
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Elena Duque]

Hello

A bunch that came to my mind:

Jean Gabriel Periot's We Are Winning, Don't Forget:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7m92r

Lene Berg's False Belief and Stalin by Picasso

Chris Kennedy's Watching the Detectives

Marker's Si j'avais quatre dromadaires

Heimat Is A Space in Time by Thomas Heise

Breathless Animals by Lei Lei

The Host, by Miranda Pennell

Luke Fowler's To The Editor of Amateur Photographer

Phil Hoffman's On the Pond:
https://philiphoffman.ca/filmography/on-the-pond/

A Caça Revoluções by Margarida Rêgo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hDHrtcQyog

Muybridge Film, by Anne Rees-Mogg



El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 9:45, Eric Theise ()
escribió:

> Hello Albert,
>
> I've seen a film by or about the late Robert Frank containing a scene
> where he drills a hole through a hefty stack of photographic prints. My
> memory is that the audience was audibly shaken at the destruction while I
> thought it was kind of a bullshit move. With all due respect, Robert Frank,
> I hope you paid your printer, let's talk after you've drilled a hole
> through your *negatives*.
>
> It's possible that the film I'm remembering was "True Story".
> https://www.mfah.org/films/robert-frank-collection/
>
> Eric
>
> P.S. The last entry on that MFAH page is "Harry Smith at the Breslin Hotel
> 1984", finished 2017; have any Frameworkers seen that?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:06 AM Albert Alcoz  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I
>> was wondering if you could suggest more titles.
>>
>> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted
>> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis
>> Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides).
>> Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction
>> or the invisibility of photographs?
>>
>> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs.
>> There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of
>> analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of
>> advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images
>> found on the internet:
>>
>> *Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
>> *Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
>> *Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
>> *Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
>> *Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
>> *Wall *by Takashi Ito
>> *Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
>> *Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
>> *DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
>> *The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden
>>
>> Do others come to mind?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Albert Alcoz
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[peter snowdon]

Hello Albert,

Depending on where your definition of "experimental" reaches to: 

- I don't have much detailed memory of Boris Lehman's Histoire de ma vie 
racontée par mes photographies (apart from having really enjoyed it), but the 
trailer confirms that not all the photographs in question survived the 
experience: 
https://vimeo.com/179885213

- There are a lot of photographs in Jean-Daniel Pollet's last films, too: not 
only Ceux d'en face, but also the posthumous Jour après jour which I haven't 
seen, but which as described here: 
https://www.filmcomment.com/article/films-of-ruin-and-rapture-in-search-of-jean-daniel-pollet/
 sounds as if it might fit your criteria for a film made entirely (?) out of 
still images.

- Jean-Gabriel Périot has several films in addition to Dies Irae made entirely 
from stills: 200 000 ghosts, The Barbarians...

Hope this helps,
Peter



On Tue, Jun 9, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Albert Alcoz wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I was 
> wondering if you could suggest more titles.
> 
> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted 
> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis 
> Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides). 
> Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or the 
> invisibility of photographs?
> 
> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs. There 
> are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of analysis 
> are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of advertising 
> images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images found on the 
> internet:
> 
> *Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
> *Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
> *Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
> *Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
> *Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
> *Wall *by Takashi Ito
> *Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
> *Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
> *DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
> *The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden
> 
> Do others come to mind?
> 
> Thank you,
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Eric Theise]

Hello Albert,

I've seen a film by or about the late Robert Frank containing a scene where
he drills a hole through a hefty stack of photographic prints. My memory is
that the audience was audibly shaken at the destruction while I thought it
was kind of a bullshit move. With all due respect, Robert Frank, I hope you
paid your printer, let's talk after you've drilled a hole through your
*negatives*.

It's possible that the film I'm remembering was "True Story".
https://www.mfah.org/films/robert-frank-collection/

Eric

P.S. The last entry on that MFAH page is "Harry Smith at the Breslin Hotel
1984", finished 2017; have any Frameworkers seen that?


On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 3:06 AM Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was making a list of experimental film practices on photography and I
> was wondering if you could suggest more titles.
>
> At first I wanted to focus just on movies where photographs are deleted
> (burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know *(nostalgia)* for Hollis
> Frampton and the project *Found Monochromes* by David Batchelor (slides).
> Does anyone know other films where the main purpose is the destruction or
> the invisibility of photographs?
>
> On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs.
> There are dozens of films (some of them animations) where the object of
> analysis are still images, from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of
> advertising images from magazines or the accumulation of digital images
> found on the internet:
>
> *Transformation by Holding Time* by Paul de Nooijer
> *Pasadena Freeway Stills* and *Hand Held Day* by Gary Beydler
> *Production Stills* by Morgan Fisher
> *Frank Film* by Frank Mouris
> *Boy Meets Girl* by Eugènia Balcells
> *Wall *by Takashi Ito
> *Photodiary *by Takashi Ito
> *Clandestine Porn Film* by Augustin Gimel
> *DIES IRAE* by Jean Gabriel Périot
> *The World as Will and Representation* de Roy Arden
>
> Do others come to mind?
>
> Thank you,
> Albert Alcoz
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Re: [Frameworks] Experimental films on photography

[Thomas Bartels]

Gusztáv Hámos, Katja Pratschke

https://vimeo.com/142511201

http://www.hamos.info/dokumente/kuration/Photofilm_Prog_25022010V3.pdf

https://vimeo.com/142511201




Thomas Bartels auf Vimeo https://vimeo.com/thomasbartels

Hello all,

I was making a list of experimental film practices on  photography and I was 
wondering if you could suggest more titles.

At first I wanted to focus  just on movies where photographs are deleted 
(burned, destroyed) or denied but I only know (nostalgia) for Hollis Frampton 
and the project Found Monochromes by David Batchelor (slides). Does anyone know 
other films where the main purpose is the destruction or  the invisibility of 
photographs?

On the other hand I have started a list of films made from photographs. There 
are dozens  of films (some of them animations) where the object of analysis are 
still images , from filmed Polaroids to appropriation of advertising images 
from magazines or the accumulation of digital images found on the internet:

Transformation by Holding Time by Paul de Nooijer
Pasadena Freeway Stills and Hand Held Day by Gary Beydler
Production Stills by Morgan Fisher
Frank Film by Frank Mouris
Boy Meets Girl by Eugènia Balcells
Wall by Takashi Ito
Photodiary by Takashi Ito
Clandestine Porn Film by Augustin Gimel
DIES IRAE by Jean Gabriel Périot
The World as Will and Representation de Roy Arden

Do others come to mind?

Thank you,
Albert Alcoz
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