Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-06-01 Thread Eric Theise
Time. 4/3/1964, Vol. 83 Issue 14, p98. 3p. No one has heard much about movies like Breath-Death, Cosmic Ray, and Stone Sonata, but now the Ford Foundation has begun pouring tuns of gold on the happy heads of the people who made them. The foundation has decided to encourage the art of film as

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread nicky . hamlyn
! Nicky. -Original Message- From: Jeff Kreines j...@kinetta.com To: Frameworks Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Sat, 31 May 2014 0:08 Subject: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground Thanks to Saul Levine for finding this. Wow! Brakhage, Mekas, Warhol, Sedgwick

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Andy Ditzler
Thanks for posting this. A DVD of this was recently issued by Boo-Hooray as part of their Piero Heliczer-themed Dead Language Press bibliography. What's interesting for Velvets fans is that this appears to show Angus MacLise and Maureen Tucker playing with the Velvets at the same time. Does anyone

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
On May 31, 2014, at 4:12 AM, nicky.ham...@talktalk.netmailto:nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote: Was it filmed in a lawyer's office? Willard van Dyke badly lets the side down by suggesting that 'there is the possibility that new techniques are being explored and that other filmmakers can benefit

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Fred Camper
I agree with Chuck's comments. Given how bad mainstream media can be, this report is really quite good, considering that it was meant for an evening-news mass audience. Of course nothing profound is said, and Warhol could easily seem like a fool to those who don't take seriously John Cage's I

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Jonathan Walley
After reading Fred's post I ran (well, typed) straight to the online database Academic Search Complete to read the Time article. Here it is, for anyone interested. It is indeed bad (my favorite description is of Brakhage as a husky hypochondriac), but it's about what you'd expect from a

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Jeff Kreines
On May 31, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Andy Ditzler a...@andyditzler.com wrote: A DVD of this was recently issued by Boo-Hooray as part of their Piero Heliczer-themed Dead Language Press bibliography. Was there no music in the Velvets sequence because of music rights, or did the report air that way?

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Fred Camper
Jonathan, thanks a lot for posting this, but the article I remember was earlier, and even worse. It described the films of filmmakers who had just gotten a Ford Foundation grant in outrageous, and outraged, terms. I couldn't find it on Time's own site, though I didn't try that hard. Maybe I

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread David Tetzlaff
Yeah, the article Jonathan posted (thanks, J.!) was nowhere near as bad as the one Fred described. You could even defend it's rhetoric on the same grounds Chuck brought up in terms of the CBS piece. This article follows the classic form of a persuasive speech to a hostile audience I used to

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread David Tetzlaff
You weren't dreaming Fred, I found the article. I can't read it or copy it here though because I don't have the required subscription to Time. Maybe someone else on the list can help share? My curiosity has been activated. http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,939493,00.html

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
Just a note: While we might feel dismay or anger at the backward attitudes expressed back in the day, we should also remember that for some people the mere fact of denouncing experimental films for having sex, homosex, or whatever was a notice that such things existed and that you might want

Re: [Frameworks] CBS goes Underground

2014-05-31 Thread Ron Gregg
Completely agree! Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Chuck Kleinhans chuck...@northwestern.edu wrote: Just a note: While we might feel dismay or anger at the backward attitudes expressed back in the day, we should also remember that for some people the mere fact of