Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Francisco Torres]

If there any way of finding out if the printing elements of different
versions still exist? Or did all the prints from a certain date on were
printed from the same source ? That may mean that all current variations
date from an earlier date.

2016-02-08 0:58 GMT-04:00 Seth Mitter :

> NYPL reserve film & video collection appears to have 3 prints of REPORT
> http://catalog.nypl.org/record=b17632181~S1
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Kelsey Velez 
> wrote:
>
>> The print at SAIC was acquired from the Conner family trust, so it's
>> likely that the print you saw ('67) was the same as the one I'm referring
>> to. Just a guess.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 12:45, John Muse  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks, Kelsey.  I only know the (gorgeously printed) version available
>> from Michelle Silva and the Conner Family Trust, which was until a few
>> minutes ago also up at Ubuweb.  Do you mean that SAIC has the version that
>> Mosen describes?  Or the '67 version now in distribution?
>> >
>> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kelsey Velez 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different
>> version of Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of
>> the film is footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was
>> shot. If memory serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the
>> version at SAIC as it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote
>> me, though. It was printed and purchased in 2014.
>> >>
>> >> FYI.
>> >> Kelsey
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very
>> interesting.
>> >>>
>>  On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Eight.
>> 
>>  "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of
>> equal duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at
>> the Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the
>> previous iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated
>> in the process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
>>  http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
>> 
>>  Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be
>> different. I've wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of
>> the film as possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not
>> too interesting in the end.
>> 
>>  -h
>> 
>>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
>>  Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle
>> Silva and the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU
>> several times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when
>> I read a 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19,
>> No. 3, Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
>> 
>> > Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of
>> Jackie and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from
>> Kennedy's coffin which is lying in state.
>> 
>>  And then:
>> 
>> > We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a
>> radio newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that
>> preceded the assassination.
>> 
>> 
>>  Finally:
>> 
>> > What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes
>> of the film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational
>> montage. The image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The
>> first thing we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
>> 
>> 
>>  This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?
>> What would Mosen likely have seen?
>> 
>>  Thanks.
>> 
>>  j/PrM
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>  john muse
>>  visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>>  haverford college
>>  http://www.finleymuse.com
>>  http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>>  http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
>> 
>>  *
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Dominic Angerame]

Having distributed REPORT for many years at Canyon Cinema there are
multiple versions of this film some with minor changes, etc. This is also
very much true for Cosmic Ray. Although I tried to be consistent at Canyon
with having same versions, this was difficult to achieve. The same is true
with many prints of Kenneth Anger that were  not released by UCLA. I have
faith that the BC Family Estate and UCLA (for Anger) have released the
versions that the artist had intended.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Francisco Torres 
wrote:

> If there any way of finding out if the printing elements of different
> versions still exist? Or did all the prints from a certain date on were
> printed from the same source ? That may mean that all current variations
> date from an earlier date.
>
> 2016-02-08 0:58 GMT-04:00 Seth Mitter :
>
>> NYPL reserve film & video collection appears to have 3 prints of REPORT
>> http://catalog.nypl.org/record=b17632181~S1
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Kelsey Velez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The print at SAIC was acquired from the Conner family trust, so it's
>>> likely that the print you saw ('67) was the same as the one I'm referring
>>> to. Just a guess.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 12:45, John Muse  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Kelsey.  I only know the (gorgeously printed) version
>>> available from Michelle Silva and the Conner Family Trust, which was until
>>> a few minutes ago also up at Ubuweb.  Do you mean that SAIC has the version
>>> that Mosen describes?  Or the '67 version now in distribution?
>>> >
>>> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kelsey Velez 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different
>>> version of Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of
>>> the film is footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was
>>> shot. If memory serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the
>>> version at SAIC as it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote
>>> me, though. It was printed and purchased in 2014.
>>> >>
>>> >> FYI.
>>> >> Kelsey
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very
>>> interesting.
>>> >>>
>>>  On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Eight.
>>> 
>>>  "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of
>>> equal duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at
>>> the Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the
>>> previous iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated
>>> in the process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
>>>  http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
>>> 
>>>  Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be
>>> different. I've wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of
>>> the film as possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not
>>> too interesting in the end.
>>> 
>>>  -h
>>> 
>>>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
>>>  Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle
>>> Silva and the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU
>>> several times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised
>>> when I read a 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol.
>>> 19, No. 3, Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
>>> 
>>> > Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of
>>> Jackie and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from
>>> Kennedy's coffin which is lying in state.
>>> 
>>>  And then:
>>> 
>>> > We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a
>>> radio newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that
>>> preceded the assassination.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Finally:
>>> 
>>> > What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes
>>> of the film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational
>>> montage. The image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The
>>> first thing we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?
>>> What would Mosen likely have seen?
>>> 
>>>  Thanks.
>>> 
>>>  j/PrM
>>> 
>>>  *
>>> 
>>>  john muse
>>>  visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>>>  haverford college
>>>  http://www.finleymuse.com
>>>  http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>>>  

Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Seth Mitter]

NYPL reserve film & video collection appears to have 3 prints of REPORT
http://catalog.nypl.org/record=b17632181~S1

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Kelsey Velez  wrote:

> The print at SAIC was acquired from the Conner family trust, so it's
> likely that the print you saw ('67) was the same as the one I'm referring
> to. Just a guess.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 6, 2016, at 12:45, John Muse  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Kelsey.  I only know the (gorgeously printed) version available
> from Michelle Silva and the Conner Family Trust, which was until a few
> minutes ago also up at Ubuweb.  Do you mean that SAIC has the version that
> Mosen describes?  Or the '67 version now in distribution?
> >
> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kelsey Velez 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different version
> of Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of the film
> is footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was shot. If
> memory serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the version
> at SAIC as it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote me,
> though. It was printed and purchased in 2014.
> >>
> >> FYI.
> >> Kelsey
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very
> interesting.
> >>>
>  On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger 
> wrote:
> 
>  Eight.
> 
>  "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal
> duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the
> Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous
> iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the
> process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
>  http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
> 
>  Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be
> different. I've wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of
> the film as possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not
> too interesting in the end.
> 
>  -h
> 
>  On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
>  Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle
> Silva and the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU
> several times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when
> I read a 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19,
> No. 3, Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
> 
> > Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of
> Jackie and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from
> Kennedy's coffin which is lying in state.
> 
>  And then:
> 
> > We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a
> radio newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that
> preceded the assassination.
> 
> 
>  Finally:
> 
> > What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of
> the film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage.
> The image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first
> thing we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
> 
> 
>  This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?
> What would Mosen likely have seen?
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  j/PrM
> 
>  *
> 
>  john muse
>  visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>  haverford college
>  http://www.finleymuse.com
>  http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>  http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
> 
>  *
> 
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> >>>
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> >>> john muse
> >>> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
> >>> haverford college
> >>> http://www.finleymuse.com
> >>> http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
> >>> http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
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> >
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> >
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> > visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
> > haverford college
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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Kelsey Velez]

The print at SAIC was acquired from the Conner family trust, so it's likely 
that the print you saw ('67) was the same as the one I'm referring to. Just a 
guess. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2016, at 12:45, John Muse  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Kelsey.  I only know the (gorgeously printed) version available from 
> Michelle Silva and the Conner Family Trust, which was until a few minutes ago 
> also up at Ubuweb.  Do you mean that SAIC has the version that Mosen 
> describes?  Or the '67 version now in distribution? 
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kelsey Velez  wrote:
>> 
>> The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different version of 
>> Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of the film is 
>> footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was shot. If 
>> memory serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the version at 
>> SAIC as it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote me, though. It 
>> was printed and purchased in 2014.
>> 
>> FYI.
>> Kelsey
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very 
>>> interesting.
>>> 
 On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger  wrote:
 
 Eight. 
 
 "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal 
 duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the 
 Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous 
 iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the 
 process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
 http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
 
 Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be different. 
 I've wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of the film as 
 possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not too 
 interesting in the end. 
 
 -h
 
 On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
 Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and 
 the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several 
 times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a 
 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3, 
 Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
 
> Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of Jackie 
> and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from Kennedy's 
> coffin which is lying in state.
 
 And then:
 
> We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio 
> newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded 
> the assassination.
 
 
 Finally:
 
> What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the 
> film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. 
> The image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first 
> thing we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
 
 
 This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What 
 would Mosen likely have seen?
 
 Thanks.
 
 j/PrM
 
 *
 
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 visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
 haverford college
 http://www.finleymuse.com
 http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
 http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
 
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>>> 
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>>> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>>> haverford college
>>> http://www.finleymuse.com
>>> http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>>> http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
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> 
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> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
> haverford college
> http://www.finleymuse.com
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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[John Muse]

Thanks, Kelsey.  I only know the (gorgeously printed) version available from 
Michelle Silva and the Conner Family Trust, which was until a few minutes ago 
also up at Ubuweb.  Do you mean that SAIC has the version that Mosen describes? 
 Or the '67 version now in distribution? 

On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:34 AM, Kelsey Velez  wrote:

> The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different version of 
> Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of the film is 
> footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was shot. If 
> memory serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the version at 
> SAIC as it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote me, though. It 
> was printed and purchased in 2014.
> 
> FYI.
> Kelsey
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very 
>> interesting.
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eight. 
>>> 
>>> "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal 
>>> duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the 
>>> Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous 
>>> iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the 
>>> process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
>>> http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
>>> 
>>> Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be different. I've 
>>> wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of the film as 
>>> possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not too 
>>> interesting in the end. 
>>> 
>>> -h
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
>>> Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and 
>>> the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several 
>>> times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a 
>>> 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3, 
>>> Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
>>> 
 Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of Jackie 
 and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from Kennedy's 
 coffin which is lying in state.
>>> 
>>> And then:
>>> 
 We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio 
 newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded the 
 assassination.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Finally:
>>> 
 What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the 
 film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. 
 The image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first 
 thing we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What 
>>> would Mosen likely have seen?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> j/PrM
>>> 
>>> *
>>> 
>>> john muse
>>> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>>> haverford college
>>> http://www.finleymuse.com
>>> http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>>> http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
>>> 
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>> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>> haverford college
>> http://www.finleymuse.com
>> http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>> http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
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j/PrM

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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Kelsey Velez]

The School of the Art Institute is in possession of a different version of 
Report than the one mentioned. The sequence at the beginning of the film is 
footage of the motorcade just before the moment Mr. Kennedy was shot. If memory 
serves me right, the soundtrack begins the same way in the version at SAIC as 
it does in the version mentioned by Herb. Don't quote me, though. It was 
printed and purchased in 2014.

FYI.
Kelsey

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2016, at 09:15, John Muse  wrote:
> 
> Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very interesting.
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger  wrote:
>> 
>> Eight. 
>> 
>> "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal 
>> duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the 
>> Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous 
>> iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the 
>> process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
>> http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
>> 
>> Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be different. I've 
>> wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of the film as 
>> possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not too 
>> interesting in the end. 
>> 
>> -h
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
>> Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and 
>> the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several 
>> times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a 
>> 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3, 
>> Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
>> 
>>> Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of Jackie 
>>> and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from Kennedy's 
>>> coffin which is lying in state.
>> 
>> And then:
>> 
>>> We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio 
>>> newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded the 
>>> assassination.
>> 
>> 
>> Finally:
>> 
>>> What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the 
>>> film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. The 
>>> image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first thing 
>>> we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
>> 
>> 
>> This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What 
>> would Mosen likely have seen?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> j/PrM
>> 
>> *
>> 
>> john muse
>> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
>> haverford college
>> http://www.finleymuse.com
>> http://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse
>> http://haverford.academia.edu/JohnMuse
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[Herb Shellenberger]

Eight.

"*Report* was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal
duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the
Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous
iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the
process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/

Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be different. I've
wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of the film as
possible, a report on *Report*. But that might end up being not too
interesting in the end.

-h

On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:

> Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and
> the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several
> times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a
> 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3,
> Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
>
> > Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of
> Jackie and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from
> Kennedy's coffin which is lying in state.
>
> And then:
>
> > We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio
> newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded the
> assassination.
>
>
> Finally:
>
> > What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the
> film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. The
> image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first thing
> we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
>
>
> This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What
> would Mosen likely have seen?
>
> Thanks.
>
> j/PrM
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Re: [Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[John Muse]

Excellent!  Thanks, Herb.  Great screening idea: it would be very interesting.

On Feb 5, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Herb Shellenberger  wrote:

> Eight. 
> 
> "Report was actually shown in eight different versions – all of equal 
> duration and with the same soundtrack – after its initial premiere at the 
> Harvard Film Society in 1964. The final version – after which the previous 
> iterations were destroyed, if they hadn’t already been obliterated in the 
> process of revision – was not completed until 1967. "
> http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/cteq/report/
> 
> Depending on when collections acquired the film it could be different. I've 
> wanted for a while to do a screening of as many prints of the film as 
> possible, a report on Report. But that might end up being not too interesting 
> in the end. 
> 
> -h
> 
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 11:07 PM, John Muse  wrote:
> Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and 
> the Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several 
> times http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a 
> 1966 review of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3, 
> Spring, 1966, pp. 54-56) who describes the film this way:
> 
> > Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of Jackie 
> > and Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from Kennedy's 
> > coffin which is lying in state.
> 
> And then:
> 
> > We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio 
> > newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded the 
> > assassination.
> 
> 
> Finally:
> 
> > What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the 
> > film can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. The 
> > image is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first thing 
> > we see is a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.
> 
> 
> This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What would 
> Mosen likely have seen?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> j/PrM
> 
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> 
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> visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
> haverford college
> http://www.finleymuse.com
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[Frameworks] how many versions of Bruce Conner's Report?

[John Muse]

Having just screened a 16mm print of Report rented from Michelle Silva and the 
Conner Family Trust and having watched the version up at UBU several times 
http://ubu.com/film/conner_report.html I am surprised when I read a 1966 review 
of Report by Robert Mosen (Film Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 3, Spring, 1966, pp. 
54-56) who describes the film this way:

> Conner opens Report with several minutes of a printed film loop of Jackie and 
> Caroline as they approach, kneel at, and walk away from Kennedy's coffin 
> which is lying in state.

And then:

> We go through a few loops before the sound track begins. It is a radio 
> newscast of the five minutes of routine Dallas motorcade that preceded the 
> assassination.


Finally:

> What follows the film loop and occupies the remaining ten minutes of the film 
> can only be described as a tour de force of implicational montage. The image 
> is a constant shuffle of several groups of footage. The first thing we see is 
> a close-up of matador and bull in the thick of battle.


This sounds like a different film.  How many versions were there?  What would 
Mosen likely have seen?

Thanks.

j/PrM

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visiting assistant professor of independent college programs
haverford college
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