Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
Hey All, Quick equipment buy notice. I'm finally taking the plunge to get my own gear in the next week, so if you have any of the following in good condition that you're looking to sell, let me know: Canon 60D Canon 24-105mm lens Fluid Head Tripod (head legs) Red rock or similar shoulder rig H4n or Marantz PMD661 Sennheiser shotgun mic or equivalent Sennheiser ew100 G3 wireless lav Sennheiser MKE 300 or equivalent DSLR camera mic Just looking for trustworthy sellers to maximize my budget where possible instead of going all new. Thanks! Remington 859-229-8090 On Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:18 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com wrote: Hello Frameworks, Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. The event takes place this Thursday, November 13th from 7-9 pm at the Jefferson Market Branch of the New York Public Library (click here for for more information) in Greenwich Village. Artist Mark John Smith will be the interlocutor of a panel discussion and QA following the screening. Also speaking at the event will be Elena Rossi-Snook, 16mm archivist at the NYPL Performing Arts Library and Chair of the Association of Moving Image Archivists' Film Advocacy Task Force. Please let me know if you would like any additional information about the event! All best, Matt Matt Whitman www.mawhitman.com i...@mawhitman.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @NYPL Jefferson Market Library
I agree with George. Analog means a direct, analog, value (optical, electro-acoustic, ... ) translation from reality Colinet André From: George, Sherman Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:34 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @NYPL Jefferson Market Library Analog has other meanings unrelated to a signal. On Nov 11, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal, such as an audio or video signal; it is the opposite of a digital signal. Film is a discrete frame by frame medium, not a signal, so it is neither analog nor digital. It is just film. Thanks, Pip Chodorov At 18:18 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Sherman George sgeo...@ucsd.edu 858-229-4368 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal, such as an audio or video signal; it is the opposite of a digital signal. Film is a discrete frame by frame medium, not a signal, so it is neither analog nor digital. It is just film. Thanks, Pip Chodorov At 18:18 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal, such as an audio or video signal; it is the opposite of a digital signal. Film is a discrete frame by frame medium, not a signal, so it is neither analog nor digital. It is just film. Thanks, Pip Chodorov At 18:18 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
The term was used widely throughout the 20th century to describe continuous recording processes on physical or magnetic medium (audio tape, video tape, vinyl disk) and especially in relation to digital processes when they became popular (remastered recordings, CDs, laserdiscs and DVDs) when the debate between analog and digital became fervent. But not until the past ten years was the term ever applied to motion picture film. I think film should not be confused with signal media. The term digital film has been applied wrongly to using digital intermediates to finish on film print stock. This wikipedia article described analog processes best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signal Pip At 18:34 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photographyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion?___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Right. But couldn’t this be a very specific reading of the term ‘analog’? In reference only to signal? I think our language around media has evolved enough at this point where we don’t have to necessarily exclude other forms from this analog vs. digital binary which has been set up. Looking at it somewhat algebraically, if we use the term analog to merely describe “signal and digital signal is the opposite of analog signal - we then simplify by eliminating signal from the equation, leaving us with analog ≠ digital. It is a simplification - in every sense of the word - and this is for better or worse. The word ‘analog’, with its contemporary application to (sometimes to the point of absurdity) a variety of phenomena and situations, has gone past the point of critical mass (another analogy, this time to a process associated with nuclear fission) where it seems it can now be applied simply to that which is not digital. And this is at a moment in time when so many aspects of human life are now influenced to some extent by various digital processes and systems. I think it is a matter of language, which is never fixed at specific point in its own history, but is provisional. It adapts to the current moment - much like a city or a body or any organism for that matter. On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: The term was used widely throughout the 20th century to describe continuous recording processes on physical or magnetic medium (audio tape, video tape, vinyl disk) and especially in relation to digital processes when they became popular (remastered recordings, CDs, laserdiscs and DVDs) when the debate between analog and digital became fervent. But not until the past ten years was the term ever applied to motion picture film. I think film should not be confused with signal media. The term digital film has been applied wrongly to using digital intermediates to finish on film print stock. This wikipedia article described analog processes best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signal Pip At 18:34 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com mailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Analog has other meanings unrelated to a signal. On Nov 11, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.commailto:i...@mawhitman.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.commailto:framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal, such as an audio or video signal; it is the opposite of a digital signal. Film is a discrete frame by frame medium, not a signal, so it is neither analog nor digital. It is just film. Thanks, Pip Chodorov At 18:18 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks Sherman George sgeo...@ucsd.edumailto:sgeo...@ucsd.edu 858-229-4368 ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:34 PM, George, Sherman sgeo...@ucsd.edu wrote: Analog has other meanings unrelated to a signal. Which are analogous to what, Sherman? ;-) Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
Yes, most people who use the term have adopted it in exactly this way. And this view of language is widely accepted as well, as never fixed in time. However there is also the traditionalist view of language and respecting etymology, and it can be instructive to educate the critical mass, particular at a time when the film medium needs awareness and sustainability. Using the term analog reduces film to a signal. If film is only a signal then there is no reason to resuscitate acetate or polyester film material. A signal can be received in many ways including analog and digital reproductions, as long as the resoution and the bit depth of such reproductions surpass the visual acuity of the human retina. Since film is not only about what it looks like, but also about what it is, and in light of the fact that you are hosting an event about film as a material and as a practice and to promote the film advocacy task force, I think it worthwhile to avoid the analog/digital debate by referring to film simply as its own material. This also evades a stickier neologism as film as come to mean any moving picture production on any medium. Any film student working digitally claims to make film. I believe they are making digital but I am very alone in that strict use of the term to mean only film based production. At least the term analog is still precise enough that we can use it to raise awareness that film is different. To Sherman George: No, analog used as an adjective relates only to signals https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=define:+analog At 19:27 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Right. But couldn't this be a very specific reading of the term 'analog'? In reference only to signal? I think our language around media has evolved enough at this point where we don't have to necessarily exclude other forms from this analog vs. digital binary which has been set up. Looking at it somewhat algebraically, if we use the term analog to merely describe signal and digital signal is the opposite of analog signal - we then simplify by eliminating signal from the equation, leaving us with analog digital. It is a simplification - in every sense of the word - and this is for better or worse. The word 'analog', with its contemporary application to (sometimes to the point of absurdity) a variety of phenomena and situations, has gone past the point of critical mass (another analogy, this time to a process associated with nuclear fission) where it seems it can now be applied simply to that which is not digital. And this is at a moment in time when so many aspects of human life are now influenced to some extent by various digital processes and systems. I think it is a matter of language, which is never fixed at specific point in its own history, but is provisional. It adapts to the current moment - much like a city or a body or any organism for that matter. On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Pip Chodorov mailto:framewo...@re-voir.comframewo...@re-voir.com wrote: The term was used widely throughout the 20th century to describe continuous recording processes on physical or magnetic medium (audio tape, video tape, vinyl disk) and especially in relation to digital processes when they became popular (remastered recordings, CDs, laserdiscs and DVDs) when the debate between analog and digital became fervent. But not until the past ten years was the term ever applied to motion picture film. I think film should not be confused with signal media. The term digital film has been applied wrongly to using digital intermediates to finish on film print stock. This wikipedia article described analog processes best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signalhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signal Pip___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: This also evades a stickier neologism as film as come to mean any moving picture production on any medium. Any film student working digitally claims to make film. I believe they are making digital but I am very alone in that strict use of the term to mean only film based production. They are making digital motion pictures or digital movies. Or, as they say on TV, Digital Shorts. Film requires actual film, then of course there’s the whole matter of how it gets shown these days, but that’s another can of worms. Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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If you feel that you are alone in this strict use, Pip, you should come to the event if you are able to do so. Particularly for the panel/QA afterwards. It would indeed be instructive for other members of the public who are not privy to this list to be aware of the distinction that you make and this ongoing discussion. If you are not able to attend, I am happy to raise this point myself during the panel and make it clear that even in the naming of the event, there is debate in how and where these terms are used. Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:44 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Yes, most people who use the term have adopted it in exactly this way. And this view of language is widely accepted as well, as never fixed in time. However there is also the traditionalist view of language and respecting etymology, and it can be instructive to educate the critical mass, particular at a time when the film medium needs awareness and sustainability. Using the term analog reduces film to a signal. If film is only a signal then there is no reason to resuscitate acetate or polyester film material. A signal can be received in many ways including analog and digital reproductions, as long as the resoution and the bit depth of such reproductions surpass the visual acuity of the human retina. Since film is not only about what it looks like, but also about what it is, and in light of the fact that you are hosting an event about film as a material and as a practice and to promote the film advocacy task force, I think it worthwhile to avoid the analog/digital debate by referring to film simply as its own material. This also evades a stickier neologism as film as come to mean any moving picture production on any medium. Any film student working digitally claims to make film. I believe they are making digital but I am very alone in that strict use of the term to mean only film based production. At least the term analog is still precise enough that we can use it to raise awareness that film is different. To Sherman George: No, analog used as an adjective relates only to signals https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=define:+analog https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=define:+analog At 19:27 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: Right. But couldn't this be a very specific reading of the term 'analog'? In reference only to signal? I think our language around media has evolved enough at this point where we don't have to necessarily exclude other forms from this analog vs. digital binary which has been set up. Looking at it somewhat algebraically, if we use the term analog to merely describe signal and digital signal is the opposite of analog signal - we then simplify by eliminating signal from the equation, leaving us with analog digital. It is a simplification - in every sense of the word - and this is for better or worse. The word 'analog', with its contemporary application to (sometimes to the point of absurdity) a variety of phenomena and situations, has gone past the point of critical mass (another analogy, this time to a process associated with nuclear fission) where it seems it can now be applied simply to that which is not digital. And this is at a moment in time when so many aspects of human life are now influenced to some extent by various digital processes and systems. I think it is a matter of language, which is never fixed at specific point in its own history, but is provisional. It adapts to the current moment - much like a city or a body or any organism for that matter. On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com mailto:framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: The term was used widely throughout the 20th century to describe continuous recording processes on physical or magnetic medium (audio tape, video tape, vinyl disk) and especially in relation to digital processes when they became popular (remastered recordings, CDs, laserdiscs and DVDs) when the debate between analog and digital became fervent. But not until the past ten years was the term ever applied to motion picture film. I think film should not be confused with signal media. The term digital film has been applied wrongly to using digital intermediates to finish on film print stock. This wikipedia article described analog processes best: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_signalPip ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library
On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com wrote: Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. An analog recording, on real tape, I hope... Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I think I do have a few cassette mailers somewhere in my apartment…. Matt Whitman www.mawhitman.com i...@mawhitman.com On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Jeff Kreines j...@kinetta.com wrote: On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com mailto:i...@mawhitman.com wrote: Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. An analog recording, on real tape, I hope... Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com mailto:j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Thank you for the invitation but I am currently teaching three film courses at Dongguk University in Seoul! Please do raise the point that films being made on film today are as much about their material as about their content (true obviously for many avant-garde filmmakers such as Brakhage, Sharits, Jacobs etc but now true in general for anyone determined to shoot film material). If one has kept the same film camera for many years, shoots sparingly, does their own labwork and cuts with scissors and tape, then it is much cheaper to work on film than on new media. Otherwise it is a real choice to make the effort nowadays. The choice pays off because there is a true physical (as opposed to virtual) connection between the material running through the camera and the shadows projected on the screen: the film image is indexically related to its content, whereas digital projections are mainly symbolical. The mechanical shutter invokes the phi phenomenon which creates the illusion of motion through flicker, rather than beta movement which the digital projector invokes. The phi phenomenon forces the viewer to participate actively in the illusion (during the third of the time spent in the dark). Studies in brain waves will show the difference between film and digital perception: film wakes us up. Color and texture is a very small part of the important distinctions between the technologies. This is why I think the word analog distracts us into thinking that choosing film is only a stylistic choice. Thank you for hosting this event. Pip Chodorov At 20:13 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: If you feel that you are alone in this strict use, Pip, you should come to the event if you are able to do so. Particularly for the panel/QA afterwards. It would indeed be instructive for other members of the public who are not privy to this list to be aware of the distinction that you make and this ongoing discussion. If you are not able to attend, I am happy to raise this point myself during the panel and make it clear that even in the naming of the event, there is debate in how and where these terms are used. Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Cherry-picking a definition from Google will not do for prescriptive lexicopraphy: of, relating to, or being a mechanism in which data is represented by continuously variable physical quantities http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analog A photochemical film frame is an analog reproduction. The density of silver halide particles is an analog of the light intensity striking that part of the frame. Analog reproduction existed before 'signal': phonograph recordings. Pip's objection would seem to be that 'analog film' is redundant, and semantically dependent on the opposing term 'digital film' which Pip finds a distorting neologism. However, film HAS come to mean any moving picture production on any medium. Were Matt Whitman to title his event simply Persistence of Vision: Young Filmmakers no one would know from the title what was unique about the program. IMHO, promotion of an event sponsored by a Public Library has a responsibility to communicate in terms the general audience of library users will understand. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Actually silver halide crystals can either turn into metallic silver or they don't. They can only be black or white. In that sense, they are digital! At 18:10 -0800 11/11/14, Dave Tetzlaff wrote: A photochemical film frame is an analog reproduction. The density of silver halide particles is an analog of the light intensity striking that part of the frame. Analog reproduction existed before 'signal': phonograph recordings. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Matt, this is a fantastic document . . . This is thought to simultaneously relax the brain and increase active engagement as the mind “fills the gaps” between each shutter interruption. In this way, the brain constructs perception of movement from distinct still frames. Its interesting to me that there is no concomitant discussion of codec. The video codec does the interpolation work for the viewer. Different codecs do this following different rules … This may create the viewer’s sense of distance, and the sleepiness Pip referred to earlier. Sensory processing is doing a lot less work to read the imagery on screen. * * * As someone who has been screening exclusively digital video, and who works with digitized film regularly, I think the slackness with language about “what is film” refers also to whether or not the audience is educated or invested in the physicality of film. How much of this rolls back to human experience of story (or just, visual experience)? People I think have a tendency to identify with “film” being a “storytelling medium”. At least, those audience members who don’t know how the stuff gets made. I refer to myself as a ‘digital media artist’ even when I make work involving emulsion manipulation, scanning, digital animation. That deliverable can contain images resonant with those produced by “analog media”, but its still bound together and presented in the digital. Jessica * * * * * Jessica Fenlon artist : poet : experimental ~ http://www.drawclose.com On Nov 11, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com wrote: I absolutely will, and on those points that you just raised, I certainly agree. For others interested, a good article from earlier in the year on precisely this issue can be found on the Film Advocacy Task Force's website (http://www.filmadvocacy.org/2014/05/14/projection-the-politics-of-passivity/) titled Projection: The Politics of Passivity - just as important to look at are references which follow on the distinctions between beta and phi movement. PDF also attached FATF-Print-14-May-2014.pdf On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Pip Chodorov wrote: Thank you for the invitation but I am currently teaching three film courses at Dongguk University in Seoul! Please do raise the point that films being made on film today are as much about their material as about their content (true obviously for many avant-garde filmmakers such as Brakhage, Sharits, Jacobs etc but now true in general for anyone determined to shoot film material). If one has kept the same film camera for many years, shoots sparingly, does their own labwork and cuts with scissors and tape, then it is much cheaper to work on film than on new media. Otherwise it is a real choice to make the effort nowadays. The choice pays off because there is a true physical (as opposed to virtual) connection between the material running through the camera and the shadows projected on the screen: the film image is indexically related to its content, whereas digital projections are mainly symbolical. The mechanical shutter invokes the phi phenomenon which creates the illusion of motion through flicker, rather than beta movement which the digital projector invokes. The phi phenomenon forces the viewer to participate actively in the illusion (during the third of the time spent in the dark). Studies in brain waves will show the difference between film and digital perception: film wakes us up. Color and texture is a very small part of the important distinctions between the technologies. This is why I think the word analog distracts us into thinking that choosing film is only a stylistic choice. Thank you for hosting this event. Pip Chodorov At 20:13 -0500 11/11/14, Matt Whitman wrote: If you feel that you are alone in this strict use, Pip, you should come to the event if you are able to do so. Particularly for the panel/QA afterwards. It would indeed be instructive for other members of the public who are not privy to this list to be aware of the distinction that you make and this ongoing discussion. If you are not able to attend, I am happy to raise this point myself during the panel and make it clear that even in the naming of the event, there is debate in how and where these terms are used. Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
