Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock
Coffee and Cigarettes (2003) comes to mind as one black & white movie that was released on color release stock in the U.S. It looked OK as far as I recall, although emulsion scratches from heavy wear or damage can turn out green or some other color I think. Ed -Original Message- >From: Daniela Curro' >Sent: Nov 28, 2011 5:09 PM >To: Experimental Film Discussion List >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock > >Hi Shumona, > >Getting b/w images on color stock is definitely possible. Usually you >need to have quite "unbalanced" R G B values in order to obtain this >result and after the answer print you need one/more correction prints. >You might need slightly different color corrections for shots that >vary in densities/contrast. B/w images on color stock will never be >totally neutral as if they were printed on b/w stock, but you can get >pretty good results, and often only the trained eyes of a grader would >spot the difference. Good luck with your print! > >Best, >Daniela Currò > > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Shumona Goel wrote: >> Dear Friends, >> >> I am trying to print a 16mm black and white film onto colour stock because >> there is no black and white print stock available in India, nor is there a >> lab that would process it. I recently did a test that had a strong magenta >> tint. >> >> Is it even possible to get a black and white image? I am beginning to >> wonder whether HD projection may just be the only route. >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice. >> >> Warmly, >> Shumona >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:00 AM, tammy kinsey >> wrote: >>> >>> - Sent from my Virgin Mobile. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Forwarded message -- >>> From: frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:00:45 -0600 >>> Subject: FrameWorks Digest, Vol 18, Issue 28 >>> Send FrameWorks mailing list submissions to >>> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of FrameWorks digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Travelogues (ev petrol) >>> 2. CFP/Films ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY CONFERENCE (Gina Marchetti) >>> 3. Re: Value systems (Jonathan Thomas) >>> 4. Artprojx Cinema: Art Video, Art Basel Miami Beach, Nov 30 - >>> Dec 4 2011 - invite (David Gryn) >>> 5. Re: Value systems (Gawthrop, Rob) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:47 -0800 (PST) >>> From: ev petrol >>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >>> Message-ID: >>> <1321839107.7669.yahoomail...@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hello Adam >>> this one was shot from the balcony & roof of the hotel i was staying in (i >>> was in nouakchott for a week); edit approved by the local film-makers though >>> (wanted to make sure i wasn't misrepresenting ...) >>> http://www.moiratierney.net/nouakchott.htm (very basic info) >>> what are you compiling the films for? >>> cheers Moira >>> >>> www.moiratierney.net >>> www.soluscollective.org >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Adam R. Levine >>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:41 PM >>> Subject: [Frameworks] Travelogues >>> >>> >>> Hello you, >>> >>> I am trying to pull together a list of experimental films that either fall >>> directly under the category of "travelogue" or bear witness to travel and >>> distance from a point of origin on the part of the filmmaker. These would >>&g
Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock
Hi Shumona, Getting b/w images on color stock is definitely possible. Usually you need to have quite "unbalanced" R G B values in order to obtain this result and after the answer print you need one/more correction prints. You might need slightly different color corrections for shots that vary in densities/contrast. B/w images on color stock will never be totally neutral as if they were printed on b/w stock, but you can get pretty good results, and often only the trained eyes of a grader would spot the difference. Good luck with your print! Best, Daniela Currò On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Shumona Goel wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I am trying to print a 16mm black and white film onto colour stock because > there is no black and white print stock available in India, nor is there a > lab that would process it. I recently did a test that had a strong magenta > tint. > > Is it even possible to get a black and white image? I am beginning to > wonder whether HD projection may just be the only route. > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Warmly, > Shumona > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:00 AM, tammy kinsey > wrote: >> >> - Sent from my Virgin Mobile. >> >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:00:45 -0600 >> Subject: FrameWorks Digest, Vol 18, Issue 28 >> Send FrameWorks mailing list submissions to >> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> frameworks-requ...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> frameworks-ow...@jonasmekasfilms.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of FrameWorks digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Travelogues (ev petrol) >> 2. CFP/Films ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY CONFERENCE (Gina Marchetti) >> 3. Re: Value systems (Jonathan Thomas) >> 4. Artprojx Cinema: Art Video, Art Basel Miami Beach, Nov 30 - >> Dec 4 2011 - invite (David Gryn) >> 5. Re: Value systems (Gawthrop, Rob) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:31:47 -0800 (PST) >> From: ev petrol >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Travelogues >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> Message-ID: >> <1321839107.7669.yahoomail...@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hello Adam >> this one was shot from the balcony & roof of the hotel i was staying in (i >> was in nouakchott for a week); edit approved by the local film-makers though >> (wanted to make sure i wasn't misrepresenting ...) >> http://www.moiratierney.net/nouakchott.htm (very basic info) >> what are you compiling the films for? >> cheers Moira >> >> www.moiratierney.net >> www.soluscollective.org >> >> >> >> From: Adam R. Levine >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:41 PM >> Subject: [Frameworks] Travelogues >> >> >> Hello you, >> >> I am trying to pull together a list of experimental films that either fall >> directly under the category of "travelogue" or bear witness to travel and >> distance from a point of origin on the part of the filmmaker. These would >> not be so much ethnographic works which are part of a sustained cultural >> exchange, but films made as a result of the filmmaker "passing through" and >> acknowledging the looming spectre/problem/pleasure of "the tourist film". >> Warren Sonbert, perhaps John Smith's "The Hotel Diaries"? I'm sure there are >> others...but can you name them? >> >> Thanks/Grazie/Kiitos! >> >> ARL >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/pipermail/frameworks/attachments/2020/98aeda83/attachment-0001.html >> >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:30:55 +0800 >> From: Gina Marchetti >> Subject: [Frameworks] CFP/Films ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY >> CONFERENCE >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> *ASIAN CINEMA STUDIES SOCIETY CONFERENCE * >> >> *MARCH 18-20, 2012* >> >> *THE UNIVERSITY OF HONG KONG* >> >> >> >> This meeting of the Asian Cinema Studies Society welcomes paper, poster, >> workshop and panel proposals covering all aspects of Asian film and media. >> >> >> >> Please send proposals of 200-300 words as RTF or WORD attachments to Dr. >> Natalie Wong at n..
Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock
I second Pip. I've been able to get decent results, too, but only after several prints did the lab get the color right. You need to find a lab that will work with you on it. One approach would be to give the lab a short silent black and white negative (1 minute? you do want it long enough that you can project it and get an impression watching it). Make sure that the negative represents the typical density range -- or has examples of the whole range -- that you're working with. Have them time it and print it, then watch the result. Then have them adjust the timing as necessary and repeat until you are satisfied with the result. Once you've done that, the timing numbers they come up with should work at that lab (but only at that lab!) for whatever follows. Doing this with a short "film" makes the repetition easier and less expensive. I would further point out that what will really help you is to establish a relationship with a particular lab. Get to know them, attend timing sessions, talk to them about the results they give you. They are NOT interchangeable like chain stores; you need to get into a good relationship with one. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say "behind every good filmmaker is a good lab," but it's kind of true. We experimental filmmakers can not take take the existence of labs for granted, less and less so as the commercial industry moves away from film. I hand process and hand print everything I do, but only at the camera and working intermediate stage. When I'm all done with the "creative" part, I don't want to have to be the one who has to make every print; it's just work at that stage! We filmmakers need labs as long as labs are around, and if we use them they'll be here longer. If you're lucky enough to be near one that prints on film, take advantage of that fact by adopting them as a part of your practice! You might have to invest a little time and money on projects like this, but I think it's worth it. - Robert Schaller On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:02 AM, Pip Chodorov wrote: > Hi Shumona, > I was able to do this for a film that had some black and white and some color. > The lab just has to do answer prints, filtering out the dominant > color until they get it right. > But it is possible to get it just right, if they are willing to work at it. > -Pip > > > > At 15:53 +0530 28/11/11, Shumona Goel wrote: >> >> I am trying to print a 16mm black and white film onto colour stock >> because there is no black and white print stock available in India, >> nor is there a lab that would process it. I recently did a test that >> had a strong magenta tint. > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] B & W on colour stock
Hi Shumona, I was able to do this for a film that had some black and white and some color. The lab just has to do answer prints, filtering out the dominant color until they get it right. But it is possible to get it just right, if they are willing to work at it. -Pip At 15:53 +0530 28/11/11, Shumona Goel wrote: > >I am trying to print a 16mm black and white film onto colour stock >because there is no black and white print stock available in India, >nor is there a lab that would process it. I recently did a test that >had a strong magenta tint. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
