Re: [Frameworks] Best quality 16mm film digitizing

2014-07-31 Thread Dennis Doros
Lawrence,

The first and foremost thing is that the Association of Moving Image
Archivists website has a brand-new Supplier Directory
http://www.amianet.org/sites/all/files/Supplier%20Diretory%20-%202014.03.pdf
that lists many of the resources anyone needs for the preservation of your
materials. It's being updated constantly.

Secondly, you should have a plan for what you are doing.

If you are thinking preservation, you have to do 2K or 4K scanning rather
than HD transfers. You should ask for copies of the digital DPX files in
both the raw scan and fixed scans if you are doing any timing or cleanup.
Then you should also have them deliver the final uncompressed or FinalCut
Pro files for your use. The files should be given to you on both hard drive
and LTO-6 tape (if you can get it -- if not, LTO5 would be fine.) They
should both be migrated every four or five years. For my hard drives, I
always buy a very large drive (usually 8TB to 12TB) for one or two films
since you will want a mirror raid on it. For extremely expensive projects,
I put them on two hard drives. Yes, it sound very OCD, but this is about
preservation and redundancy, not about expediency.

As for a film at 18fps. You should first scan it at 24p and keep that raw
scan. If you are doing any dust and scratch removal, it has to also be done
at 24p and be kept. That will be your preservation master. Then, the lab
can create a 18fps umcompressed or FCP file and synch it to sound.

I'm working with Jack Rizzo's Metro Post now and they are doing a very good
job. I've worked with ColorLab many times and I trust them implicitly as
well. It would also be a matter of doing your research and seeing what the
best transfer would be for your material. I always ask what scanners and
software they will be using and read the recent papers that are coming out
of the new research on scanners, etc.


Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film  Video
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Lawrence Brose lawrencebr...@gmail.com
wrote:

  I’m not sure if this original email came through.  I might have sent it
 to the wrong address for this group (I apologize if this has already been
 posted).

 Lawrence

 I have a number of 16mm film prints that I would like to get transferred
 to digital format.  I know that there has been much discussion on this and
 I’ve gone back and read some of the postings but I haven’t found a direct
 answer to what I would like to know.

 I would like to know what is the best quality transfer I should be looking
 for.  I have a quote from ColorLab in Rockville, MD and another one from
 Metro Post.  Metro Post is cheaper but it is not telecine (just says
 “hi-def film scan”).  So before I go any further I thought that I should
 ask for suggestions from all of the great people here.

 These are all finished films in good shape (unfortunately the original
 negatives and Mag sound were thrown out by WRS). I don’t want to say that
 cost is no issue but if I am going to preserve these films I’d rather end
 up with the best quality, even if I need to space it out over time due to
 cost.

 Also, one of the films runs at 18fps (sound is on separate tape).  Is this
 an issue?

 I really appreciate any suggestions or feedback.

 Thanks!

 Lawrence Brose

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Re: [Frameworks] Best quality 16mm film digitizing

2014-07-31 Thread Lawrence Brose
Thank you Dennis for your quick and through response.  This is all very
helpful information. I will check out the link to the Supplier Directory.

Best,
Lawrence


On 7/31/14 10:50 AM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lawrence,
 
 The first and foremost thing is that the Association of Moving Image
 Archivists website has a brand-new Supplier Directory
 http://www.amianet.org/sites/all/files/Supplier%20Diretory%20-%202014.03.pdf
 that lists many of the resources anyone needs for the preservation of your
 materials. It's being updated constantly.
 
 Secondly, you should have a plan for what you are doing. 
 
 If you are thinking preservation, you have to do 2K or 4K scanning rather than
 HD transfers. You should ask for copies of the digital DPX files in both the
 raw scan and fixed scans if you are doing any timing or cleanup. Then you
 should also have them deliver the final uncompressed or FinalCut Pro files for
 your use. The files should be given to you on both hard drive and LTO-6 tape
 (if you can get it -- if not, LTO5 would be fine.) They should both be
 migrated every four or five years. For my hard drives, I always buy a very
 large drive (usually 8TB to 12TB) for one or two films since you will want a
 mirror raid on it. For extremely expensive projects, I put them on two hard
 drives. Yes, it sound very OCD, but this is about preservation and redundancy,
 not about expediency.
 
 As for a film at 18fps. You should first scan it at 24p and keep that raw
 scan. If you are doing any dust and scratch removal, it has to also be done at
 24p and be kept. That will be your preservation master. Then, the lab can
 create a 18fps umcompressed or FCP file and synch it to sound.
 
 I'm working with Jack Rizzo's Metro Post now and they are doing a very good
 job. I've worked with ColorLab many times and I trust them implicitly as well.
 It would also be a matter of doing your research and seeing what the best
 transfer would be for your material. I always ask what scanners and software
 they will be using and read the recent papers that are coming out of the new
 research on scanners, etc.
 
 
 Best regards,
 Dennis Doros
 Milestone Film  Video
 PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
 
 Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
 http://www.milestonefilms.com/
 Visit our new websites!  www.mspresents.com http://www.mspresents.com
 , www.portraitofjason.com http://www.portraitofjason.com
 , www.shirleyclarkefilms.com http://www.shirleyclarkefilms.com/ , 
 To see or download our 2014 Video Catalog, click here
 http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0150/7896/files/2014MilestoneVideoCatalog.pd
 f?75 !
 
 Support Milestone Film on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426  and Twitter
 https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms !
 
 See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists
 http://www.amianet.org/  and like them on Facebook
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559
 717 
 AMIA 2014 Conference, Savannah, Georgia, October 8-11, 2014
 http://www.amianet.org/
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Lawrence Brose lawrencebr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I¹m not sure if this original email came through.  I might have sent it to
 the wrong address for this group (I apologize if this has already been
 posted).
 
 Lawrence
 
 I have a number of 16mm film prints that I would like to get transferred to
 digital format.  I know that there has been much discussion on this and I¹ve
 gone back and read some of the postings but I haven¹t found a direct answer
 to what I would like to know.
 
 I would like to know what is the best quality transfer I should be looking
 for.  I have a quote from ColorLab in Rockville, MD and another one from
 Metro Post.  Metro Post is cheaper but it is not telecine (just says ³hi-def
 film scan²).  So before I go any further I thought that I should ask for
 suggestions from all of the great people here.
 
 These are all finished films in good shape (unfortunately the original
 negatives and Mag sound were thrown out by WRS). I don¹t want to say that
 cost is no issue but if I am going to preserve these films I¹d rather end up
 with the best quality, even if I need to space it out over time due to cost.
 
 Also, one of the films runs at 18fps (sound is on separate tape).  Is this an
 issue?
 
 I really appreciate any suggestions or feedback.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Lawrence Brose 
 
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