Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[David Baker]

rs often change due to who is/was sleeping  
with who.


The other question I have is while we might hope "that the men and  
women in the Cinema Department were adults, equal to their teachers  
as human beings,” in point of fact the faculty had a lot more power:  
giving grades, privileges, scholarships and other financial aid,  
recommendation letters, etc.  That power differential is exactly  
what is at stake in the current flurry of activity in the US around  
issues of sexual relations, sexual assault, discimination, and so  
forth in higher education referencing Title iX in particular.   
Certainly since the early 1960s, women artists have had quite a lot  
to say about "the expectation that they were equals sexually as well  
as politically.”  And most of it doesn’t flatter men with power.


(People outside the US who aren’t familiar with the complications of  
Title IX and want to know more could start with two essays by Laura  
Kipnis : "Sexual Paranoia Strikes Academe," and “My Title IX  
Inquisition.”  (@laurakipnis.com)


Chuck

On Jan 2, 2016, at 5:19 AM, sc...@financialcleansing.com wrote:


Dear Chuck et al,

The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and  
complex moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back  
then (at Binghamton and in other places--think of the legendary  
nude faculty-student get-together at the San Francisco Art  
Institute!) can seem outrageous--and perhaps to some extent was  
outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" of Binghamton  
Babylon make evident.


But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw  
themselves as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults.  
As various other "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation  
that they were equals sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon  
understood that if 18-and 19-year old young men were expected to  
put their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put their freedom in  
jeopardy by refusing to serve in the military--then, 18-19-20-year  
olds should be able to drink a beer, and by extension function as  
full and equal adults in other ways as well.


The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were  
adults, equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as  
accomplished intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the  
energy of that department at that moment and part of what allowed  
the Cinema Department to have powerful long-range effects.


Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I  
was unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had  
hoped for.


Scott



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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu>
Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
To: Experimental Film Discussion List  
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>



On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:


Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977



Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty  
having sexual encounters with (usually female) students, and other  
hanky-panky, in addition to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems  
to me this is the first real discussion of these sorts of events in  
the experimental film world. (well, historians have sometimes  
touched on this for the distant past, but most of the people here  
are still around).


I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial  
generation take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same- 
old, same-old?  Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law  
giving women equal access to education)?


MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be  
interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.   
Reluctant to drag up old baggage?


It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the  
avant garde, sexual politics of personal relations  within the  
community are seldom discussed (with an exception for some gay  
filmmakers).



Chuck Kleinhans




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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Gene Youngblood]

t;>> get-together at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can seem outrageous--and 
>>> perhaps to some extent was outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" 
>>> of Binghamton Babylon make evident.
>>> 
>>> But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw 
>>> themselves as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As 
>>> various other "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they 
>>> were equals sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if 
>>> 18-and 19-year old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy 
>>> in Vietnam--or put their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the 
>>> military--then, 18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by 
>>> extension function as full and equal adults in other ways as well.
>>> 
>>> The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were adults, 
>>> equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished 
>>> intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that 
>>> department at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to 
>>> have powerful long-range effects.
>>> 
>>> Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was 
>>> unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.
>>> 
>>> Scott 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
>>> From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu 
>>> <mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>>
>>> Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
>>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
>>> <mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com 
>>> <mailto:dbak...@hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Scott MacDonald's revelatory, 
>>>> BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual 
>>> encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in 
>>> addition to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first 
>>> real discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. 
>>> (well, historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but 
>>> most of the people here are still around).  
>>> 
>>> I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation 
>>> take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  
>>> Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to 
>>> education)?
>>> 
>>> MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be 
>>> interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to 
>>> drag up old baggage?
>>> 
>>> It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant 
>>> garde, sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are 
>>> seldom discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Kleinhans
>>> 
>>> 
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[Chuck Kleinhans]

Another one

Sarah Kelle,r May Deren: incomplete Contro (lNY Columbia University Press 2015)


Chuck Kleinhans



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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Marc Siegel]

Dear All

Happy and Healthy 2016!

Here are two fantastic publications of interest that were not yet 
mentioned, as far as I recall:


Ronald Tavel, Andy Warhol's Ridiculous Screenplays (Silverton, OR: Fast 
Books, 2015)

-disclosure: I wrote the introduction to this book
http://fastbookspress.com/catalog/andy-warhols-ridiculous-screenplays/

and the massive and expensive, but amazing:

Paul Sharits: A Retrospective, ed. Susanne Pfeffer (Buchhandlung Walter 
König, 2015), with a complete catalogue of works by Sharits and texts by 
Branden W. Joseph, Paul Chan, Tony Conrad, Bruce Jenkins, Helen Marten, 
Jonas Mekas, Melissa Ragona & Paul Sharits, as well as a discussion with 
Birgit Hein.

http://www.buchhandlung-walther-koenig.de/koenig2/index.php?mode=quick=true_nr=9783863356811

happy reading!

warmly
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[Scott MacDonald]

lso true that that generation of students certainly saw
> themselves as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As
> various other "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they
> were equals sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if
> 18-and 19-year old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy
> in Vietnam--or put their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the
> military--then, 18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by
> extension function as full and equal adults in other ways as well. *
>
> *The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were
> adults, equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished
> intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that
> department at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to
> have powerful long-range effects.*
>
> *Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was
> unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.*
>
> *Scott*
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
> From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu>
> Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
> BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977
>
>
> Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having
> sexual encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in
> addition to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first
> real discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world.
> (well, historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but
> most of the people here are still around).
>
> I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation
> take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?
> Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to
> education)?
>
> MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be
> interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to
> drag up old baggage?
>
> It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant
> garde, sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are
> seldom discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers).
>
>
> Chuck Kleinhans
>
>
>
>
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[scott]

Dear Chuck et al,The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and complex moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back then (at Binghamton and in other places--think of the legendary nude faculty-student get-together at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can seem outrageous--and perhaps to some extent was outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" of Binghamton Babylon make evident.But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw themselves as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As various other "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they were equals sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if 18-and 19-year old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the military--then, 18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by extension function as full and equal adults in other ways as well. The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were adults, equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that department at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to have powerful long-range effects.Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.Scott 


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   On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:Scott MacDonald's revelatory,  BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977 Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in addition to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first real discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. (well, historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of the people here are still around).     I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to education)?   MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to drag up old baggage?   It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant garde, sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are seldom discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers). Chuck Kleinhans  ___
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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Alan Sondheim]

My experience is that that was everyday life in the 60s; we were also 
suspicious of the word "adult" back then (and I'm still suspicious of it); 
instead, at least at NSCAD, we were pretty much all students/artists/ 
learners/experiments/etc. and hopefully still are -


- Alan

On Sat, 2 Jan 2016, Gene Youngblood wrote:


This is a thoughtful and ?adult? response, Scott. May I remind us that students
and faculty at Calarts began swimming nude together the first day of class
(if not before, during registration) when the school opened in the fall of
1970 at the temporary campus, Villa Cabrini in Burbank, and that ?tradition?
continued for many years at the permanent campus in Valencia. Naked together
every day for years. l don?t trust anyone who thinks that?s outrageous. 
In the interest of social control we?re supposed to think that the sixties
were ?about? war and protest and assassinations, with sex, drugs and
rock-and-roll as colorful background, nothing more. In my memoir-in-progress
I argue that the countercultural moment was also, and more importantly,
about cultural autonomy. Who is and is not ?adult,? what is and is not 
?outrageous,?
are functions of cultural autonomy, or lack of it, in our socialization. It
begs the immemorial question, more relevant today than ever, who gets to
control the social construction of realities at politically relevant scale? 








  On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:19 AM, <sc...@financialcleansing.com>
  <sc...@financialcleansing.com> wrote:

Dear Chuck et al,

The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and
complex moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back
then (at Binghamton and in other places--think of the legendary nude
faculty-student get-together at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can
seem outrageous--and perhaps to some extent was outrageous, as certain
"Voices" in the "Weave" of Binghamton Babylon make evident.

But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw
themselves as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As
various other "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that
they were equals sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon
understood that if 18-and 19-year old young men were expected to put
their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put their freedom in jeopardy
by refusing to serve in the military--then, 18-19-20-year olds should
be able to drink a beer, and by extension function as full and equal
adults in other ways as well.

The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were
adults, equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as
accomplished intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the
energy of that department at that moment and part of what allowed the
Cinema Department to have powerful long-range effects.

Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I
was unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had
hoped for.

Scott 



  ---- Original Message 
      Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This
  Year?
  From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu>
  Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
  To: Experimental Film Discussion List
  <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>


  On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker
  <dbak...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

  Scott MacDonald's revelatory,  BINGHAMTON BABYLON:
  VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977


Among the ?revelations? are many references to (male) faculty having
sexual encounters with (usually female) students, and other
hanky-panky, in addition to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It
seems to me this is the first real discussion of these sorts of
events in the experimental film world. (well, historians have
sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of the
people here are still around).  

I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial
generation take these details.  A hidden history? More of the
same-old, same-old?  Really dangerous under Title IX today (US
law giving women equal access to education)?

MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to
be interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.
 Reluctant to drag up old baggage?

It?s interesting that for all the ?taboo breaking? poses of the avant
garde, sexual politics of personal relations  within the
community are seldom discussed (with an exception for some gay
filmmakers).


Chuck Kleinhans





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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

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This is a thoughtful and “adult” response, Scott. May I remind us that students 
and faculty at Calarts began swimming nude together the first day of class (if 
not before, during registration) when the school opened in the fall of 1970 at 
the temporary campus, Villa Cabrini in Burbank, and that “tradition” continued 
for many years at the permanent campus in Valencia. Naked together every day 
for years. l don’t trust anyone who thinks that’s outrageous. 

In the interest of social control we’re supposed to think that the sixties were 
“about” war and protest and assassinations, with sex, drugs and rock-and-roll 
as colorful background, nothing more. In my memoir-in-progress I argue that the 
countercultural moment was also, and more importantly, about cultural autonomy. 
Who is and is not “adult,” what is and is not “outrageous,” are functions of 
cultural autonomy, or lack of it, in our socialization. It begs the immemorial 
question, more relevant today than ever, who gets to control the social 
construction of realities at politically relevant scale? 








> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:19 AM, <sc...@financialcleansing.com> 
> <sc...@financialcleansing.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Chuck et al,
> 
> The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and complex 
> moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back then (at 
> Binghamton and in other places--think of the legendary nude faculty-student 
> get-together at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can seem outrageous--and 
> perhaps to some extent was outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" of 
> Binghamton Babylon make evident.
> 
> But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw themselves 
> as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As various other 
> "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they were equals 
> sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if 18-and 19-year 
> old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put 
> their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the military--then, 
> 18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by extension function 
> as full and equal adults in other ways as well.
> 
> The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were adults, 
> equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished 
> intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that 
> department at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to 
> have powerful long-range effects.
> 
> Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was 
> unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.
> 
> Scott 
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
> From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu 
> <mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>>
> Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
> <mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:dbak...@hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Scott MacDonald's revelatory, 
>> BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977
>> 
> 
> Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual 
> encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in addition 
> to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first real 
> discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. (well, 
> historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of 
> the people here are still around).  
> 
> I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation 
> take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  
> Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to 
> education)?
> 
> MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be 
> interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to drag 
> up old baggage?
> 
> It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant garde, 
> sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are seldom 
> discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers).
> 
> 
> Chuck Kleinhans
> 
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Chuck Kleinhans]

I stand corrected on the matter of only one person refusing to be interviewed; 
I had not completed the book when I wrote.

I think Scott is the best historian and critic of the North American avant 
garde cinema, and his study of institutions in a series of essential books is 
groundbreaking for giving us all a richer understanding of history and 
aesthetics woven together.  But, you gotta admit that calling the book 
“Binghamton Babylon” does invite a certain kind of reading.

One question I have is how do we understand the interpersonal relations within 
of the organizations we have?  Especially given that there is a level of 
insider knowledge that spans from gossip to legend?  You can say that’s 
private, or personal, or not anyone else’s business, but we also know 
institutional histories and individual artist careers often change due to who 
is/was sleeping with who.

The other question I have is while we might hope "that the men and women in the 
Cinema Department were adults, equal to their teachers as human beings,” in 
point of fact the faculty had a lot more power: giving grades, privileges, 
scholarships and other financial aid, recommendation letters, etc.  That power 
differential is exactly what is at stake in the current flurry of activity in 
the US around issues of sexual relations, sexual assault, discimination, and so 
forth in higher education referencing Title iX in particular.  Certainly since 
the early 1960s, women artists have had quite a lot to say about "the 
expectation that they were equals sexually as well as politically.”  And most 
of it doesn’t flatter men with power.

(People outside the US who aren’t familiar with the complications of Title IX 
and want to know more could start with two essays by Laura Kipnis : "Sexual 
Paranoia Strikes Academe," and “My Title IX Inquisition.”  
(@laurakipnis.com<http://laurakipnis.com>)

Chuck

On Jan 2, 2016, at 5:19 AM, 
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Dear Chuck et al,

The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and complex 
moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back then (at Binghamton 
and in other places--think of the legendary nude faculty-student get-together 
at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can seem outrageous--and perhaps to some 
extent was outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" of Binghamton Babylon 
make evident.

But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw themselves 
as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As various other 
"Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they were equals 
sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if 18-and 19-year 
old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put 
their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the military--then, 
18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by extension function as 
full and equal adults in other ways as well.

The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were adults, 
equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished 
intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that department 
at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to have powerful 
long-range effects.

Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was unable 
to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.

Scott



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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
From: Chuck Kleinhans 
<chuck...@northwestern.edu<mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>>
Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>


On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker 
<dbak...@hvc.rr.com<mailto:dbak...@hvc.rr.com>> wrote:

Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977


Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual 
encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in addition 
to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first real 
discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. (well, 
historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of the 
people here are still around).

I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation take 
these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  Really 
dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to education)?

MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be interviewed, 
and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to drag up old baggage?

It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of t

Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Jeff Kreines]

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Chuck Kleinhans  wrote:
> 
> I stand corrected on the matter of only one person refusing to be interviewed;


For that book.  There are more.



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[Chuck Kleinhans]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned these titles yet:

Scott MacDonald, Avant-Doc: Intersections of Documenary & Avant-Garde Cinema, 
Oxford
Laura U. Marks, Hanan al-Cinema: Affections for the Moving Image.  MIT
Joan Hawkins, Downtown Film & TV Culture: 1975-2001.  Intellect

also, 2014, but new to me this past year:
George Kuchar, The George Kuchar Reader.  Primary Information
Michael Z. Newman, Video Revolutions: On the History of a Medium


Chuck Kleinhans



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[Amanda Christie]

also from 2014: 

the Galerie Louise-et-Reuben Cohen published a bilingual catalogue about my 
work with full colour photos as well as essays by Scott Birdwise, Mireille 
Bourgeois, and Pip Chodorov.

the catalogue accompanied an exhibition that surveyed 10 years of my work and 
it was curated by Mireille Bourgeois.
It's called:

Land Lost

I'm not sure how many copies the gallery has left, but I have a box here in my 
studio, and for $15 I could send one to anyone who might be interested.
just send me a note off list.


Amanda Dawn Christie

506-871-2062
www.amandadawnchristie.ca
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[Adam Hyman]

Alternative Projections: Experimental Film in Los Angeles, 1945-1980
Edited by David E. James & Adam Hyman

L.A. Rebellion: Creating a New Black Cinema
Edited by Allyson Nadia Field, Jan-Christopher-Horak, and Jacqueline Najuma
Stewart

Also, the last Millennium Film Journal focused on new books.

Best,

Adam

From:  David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com>
Reply-To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Date:  Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:15:01 -0500
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>"
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977

PAPER AIRPLANES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne Vol I

STRING FIGURES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne , Vol. II

Editors- John Klacsmann
   Andrew Lampert

CHROMATIC ALGORITHMS: SYNTHETIC COLOR, COMPUTER ART, and AESTHETICS AFTER
CODE

- Carolyn L. Kane
("Life is won by wresting colors from the past."
-Gilles Deleuze )

FANTASIA OF COLOR IN EARLY CINEMA
- Tom Gunning et al.

THE EXPERIENCE MACHINE: STAN VANDERBEEK'S MOVIE-DROME
AND EXPANDED CINEMA
-Gloria Sutton

Jane (Brakhage) Wodening's book:
BRAKHAGE'S CHILDHOOD

(Haven't read this yet but I certainly intend to.
Recommended by someone
whose opinion
I hold in the highest regard.)


On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Michael Betancourt wrote:

> What were the noteworthy publications this year? My reading pile has gotten
> smaller...
> 
> Michael Betancourt
> Savannah, GA USA
> 
> 
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[Marcin Gizycki]

Boro, L’le d’amour: The Films of Walerian Borowczyk
Edited by Kamila Kuc, Kuba Mikurda, Michal Oleszczyk

Animation – A World History (in 3 volumes)
by Giannalberto Bendazzi

Best,

Marcin Gizycki


From: Adam Hyman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 5:59 PM
To: mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

Alternative Projections: Experimental Film in Los Angeles, 1945-1980
Edited by David E. James & Adam Hyman

L.A. Rebellion: Creating a New Black Cinema
Edited by Allyson Nadia Field, Jan-Christopher-Horak, and Jacqueline Najuma 
Stewart

Also, the last Millennium Film Journal focused on new books.

Best,

Adam

From: David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com>
Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" 
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:15:01 -0500
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" 
<frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?


Scott MacDonald's revelatory,  
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977

PAPER AIRPLANES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne Vol I

STRING FIGURES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne , Vol. II 

Editors- John Klacsmann
   Andrew Lampert

CHROMATIC ALGORITHMS: SYNTHETIC COLOR, COMPUTER ART, and AESTHETICS AFTER CODE

- Carolyn L. Kane
("Life is won by wresting colors from the past."
-Gilles Deleuze )

FANTASIA OF COLOR IN EARLY CINEMA
- Tom Gunning et al.

THE EXPERIENCE MACHINE: STAN VANDERBEEK'S MOVIE-DROME 
AND EXPANDED CINEMA
-Gloria Sutton

Jane (Brakhage) Wodening's book:
BRAKHAGE'S CHILDHOOD

(Haven't read this yet but I certainly intend to.
Recommended by someone 
whose opinion
I hold in the highest regard.)


On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Michael Betancourt wrote:


  What were the noteworthy publications this year? My reading pile has gotten 
smaller...


  Michael Betancourt
  Savannah, GA USA


  michaelbetancourt.com
  twitter.com/cinegraphic | vimeo.com/cinegraphic
  www.cinegraphic.net | the avant-garde film & video blog

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Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?

[Chuck Kleinhans]

On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker 
> wrote:

Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977


Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual 
encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in addition 
to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first real 
discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. (well, 
historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of the 
people here are still around).

I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation take 
these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  Really 
dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to education)?

MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be interviewed, 
and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to drag up old baggage?

It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant garde, 
sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are seldom 
discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers).


Chuck Kleinhans




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[David Baker]

Scott MacDonald's revelatory,
BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977

PAPER AIRPLANES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne Vol I

STRING FIGURES: The Collections of Harry Smith Catalogue Raisonne ,  
Vol. II


Editors- John Klacsmann
   Andrew Lampert

CHROMATIC ALGORITHMS: SYNTHETIC COLOR, COMPUTER ART, and AESTHETICS  
AFTER CODE


- Carolyn L. Kane
("Life is won by wresting colors from the past."
-Gilles Deleuze )

FANTASIA OF COLOR IN EARLY CINEMA
- Tom Gunning et al.

THE EXPERIENCE MACHINE: STAN VANDERBEEK'S MOVIE-DROME
AND EXPANDED CINEMA
-Gloria Sutton

Jane (Brakhage) Wodening's book:
BRAKHAGE'S CHILDHOOD

(Haven't read this yet but I certainly intend to.
Recommended by someone
whose opinion
I hold in the highest regard.)


On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Michael Betancourt wrote:

What were the noteworthy publications this year? My reading pile has  
gotten smaller...


Michael Betancourt
Savannah, GA USA


michaelbetancourt.com
twitter.com/cinegraphic | vimeo.com/cinegraphic
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