Re: [Frameworks] Support my new Kickstarter project for my new great 16mm motion picture!

2016-10-21 Thread Brecht Debackere
Dear Doug, 

I’m not sure that insults will move people to open their wallets. The amount of 
options for people to spend their ‘disposable income’ is huge and in your 
kickstarter you fail to give people any reason why they should spend it on 
you/your film. 
You blow your own horn, but you fail to substantiate the superlatives you use 
to describe yourself. Why was your previous film ‘great’? Are there any 
reviews? Was it shown in any festivals or other places? Did it win any awards? 
Can we see it somewhere and maybe judge for ourselves? 
Furthermore you fail to tell us anything about the film you want to make except 
for its title. The money you aks is apparently needed to financially support 
you and to allow you to buy equipement. You then go on to try to elicit 
sympathy and pity in an attempt to bring people to fork out the cash. 
Your Kickstarter campaign further fails to allow anyone to give you a small 
amount as you only give the option for 500$ and 1000$. If you’re begging for 
cash, which is what you’re doing, you’re not encouraging potential backers at 
all, but you have the audacity to claim that people are unsupportive/ not 
encouraging: "Prove you're not a completely useless, unsupportive 
"non-community" of old cranks & send money to me for my next movie & to save my 
life!"

"I'm always respectful & compliment everyone who doesn't know me” 
vs. 
"if they don't care about me or my motion pictures then fuck them.” /  "lame, 
unsupportive, non-nurturing excuse for a community” /  “Almost everyone is a 
whiney old loser or just non-communicative & non-responsive"


regards and fuck you too! 

Brecht
 

> On 16 Oct 2016, at 01:03, Doug Chaffin(Douglas Graves)  
> wrote:
> 
> In the last 8 years I have been continually disappointed by almost everyone 
> I've met in this lame, unsupportive, non-nurturing excuse for a community. 
> Almost everyone is a whiney old loser or just non-communicative & 
> non-responsive. 
> 
> No one is like Will Hindle, Stan Brakhage, Ed Emshwiller. or other great 
> legends who were very generous & inspiring to other movie makers in this 
> field. The people now have all been petty, rude, or just plain cold to me. 
> I'm always respectful & compliment everyone who doesn't know me in my 
> introductory letter or meeting. So there's no excuse for their awful attitude.
> And if they don't care about me or my motion pictures then fuck them.
> 
> Again, support my project! 
> 
> Pure Cinema Celluloid 
> 
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> Pure Cinema Celluloid
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Re: [Frameworks] Support my new Kickstarter project for my new great 16mm motion picture!

2016-10-16 Thread Fred Camper
I'm sorry that you have had a rough life. You're not the only one. 
You're certainly not the only member of this list who lacked a their own 
place for many months, though thankfully I was always able to sleep 
indoors somewhere. I do hope you can act on your own to make things better.


As for Stan Brakhage, he may have been generally encouraging, but in 
terms of offering filmmakers specific support, as in praise or by 
purchasing prints, he only did so when he saw and believed in their 
work. Maybe your work will turn out to be really great, but I've seen a 
lot of films in the "pure cinema" mode that I didn't much get. Maybe 
that was my failing as a viewer. Their makers often did think their own 
work was great.


I joined FrameWorks twenty years ago not to receive or give "support" 
but to engage in serious discussions about cinema and to keep track of 
what was going on. I did engage in some serious discussions. I also 
wound up in a few unfortunate flame wars. Now real discussions are rare. 
"Give me money" is common.


One I hope helpful hint: insulting the members of a community is not the 
best way to gain their support.


Good luck with your project.

Fred Camper
Chicago
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