Re: [Frameworks] reversed River Rites
Doesnt it take the mystery out of it? There are some things in art I would rather not know how they are done. 2015-07-19 15:00 GMT-04:00 Beebe, Roger W. beebe...@osu.edu: All, I assume most of you have, at this point, seen Ben Russell’s River Rites. I just watched it an additional three times over the past few weeks as part of a show that I presented in Warsaw, Istanbul, and Paris. As many times as I’ve watched it now, I continued to be confused about how the original action was choreographed, before being reversed in post. Since I had the file with me, I knew it’d be easy enough to throw it into Premiere and re-reverse it, restoring the original motion to the film. With Ben’s blessing (after the fact), I went ahead and did it and have posted it to Vimeo. I do think it’s helped me learn a little something about the film, and I think the end (the former start) is actually pretty poignant in this newly flipped version. I also reversed the sound and titles as well, although Ben tells me there was some work on the original sound that won’t be revealed in my “righting” of the finished audio. I took the liberty of retitling this re-reversal too, which maybe means I think this is more than a footnote to the original. In any case, I do think it only works in palimpsestic relation to Ben’s film, so if you haven’t yet seen River Rites, check that out first here: https://vimeo.com/25532189 And the re-reversed version can be found on my Vimeo channel, for the moment with a password, here: https://vimeo.com/133853342 pw: brrb So, yes, an odd thing. I’d be curious to hear any reactions you have. … Roger ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reversed River Rites
Francisco, Yes, that was part of the conversation I had with Ben and part of the reason I thought he might not want this to circulate in the world. I don’t think my experience of his film (which, again, I’d already seen more than a half-dozen times) is diminished by what I learned in the re-reversed version though (although it’ll be interesting to revisit it again now). I completely respect anyone who prefers not to know, but I also assume there are some people out there who are interested in the process like I was. (Nicky, a response to your message coming soon. I’ve been in transit today, so I’ve been slow to reply.) For what it’s worth, Roger On Jul 20, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Francisco Torres fjtorre...@gmail.commailto:fjtorre...@gmail.com wrote: Doesnt it take the mystery out of it? There are some things in art I would rather not know how they are done. 2015-07-19 15:00 GMT-04:00 Beebe, Roger W. beebe...@osu.edumailto:beebe...@osu.edu: All, I assume most of you have, at this point, seen Ben Russell’s River Rites. I just watched it an additional three times over the past few weeks as part of a show that I presented in Warsaw, Istanbul, and Paris. As many times as I’ve watched it now, I continued to be confused about how the original action was choreographed, before being reversed in post. Since I had the file with me, I knew it’d be easy enough to throw it into Premiere and re-reverse it, restoring the original motion to the film. With Ben’s blessing (after the fact), I went ahead and did it and have posted it to Vimeo. I do think it’s helped me learn a little something about the film, and I think the end (the former start) is actually pretty poignant in this newly flipped version. I also reversed the sound and titles as well, although Ben tells me there was some work on the original sound that won’t be revealed in my “righting” of the finished audio. I took the liberty of retitling this re-reversal too, which maybe means I think this is more than a footnote to the original. In any case, I do think it only works in palimpsestic relation to Ben’s film, so if you haven’t yet seen River Rites, check that out first here: https://vimeo.com/25532189 And the re-reversed version can be found on my Vimeo channel, for the moment with a password, here: https://vimeo.com/133853342 pw: brrb So, yes, an odd thing. I’d be curious to hear any reactions you have. … Roger ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] reversed River Rites
After viewing both, I thought it was interesting that I didn't connect characters and events in the original (reverse) version, as well as I did in the forward version. The reverse version felt more like separate events interconnected by the camera move, whereas the forward version felt like a single continuous event. Did anyone else feel the same way? It may be that reversing time and motion breaks the brain's ability to follow a storyline or sequence as easily. Christopher On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Beebe, Roger W. beebe...@osu.edu wrote: Francisco, Yes, that was part of the conversation I had with Ben and part of the reason I thought he might not want this to circulate in the world. I don’t think my experience of his film (which, again, I’d already seen more than a half-dozen times) is diminished by what I learned in the re-reversed version though (although it’ll be interesting to revisit it again now). I completely respect anyone who prefers not to know, but I also assume there are some people out there who are interested in the process like I was. (Nicky, a response to your message coming soon. I’ve been in transit today, so I’ve been slow to reply.) For what it’s worth, Roger On Jul 20, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Francisco Torres fjtorre...@gmail.com wrote: Doesnt it take the mystery out of it? There are some things in art I would rather not know how they are done. 2015-07-19 15:00 GMT-04:00 Beebe, Roger W. beebe...@osu.edu: All, I assume most of you have, at this point, seen Ben Russell’s River Rites. I just watched it an additional three times over the past few weeks as part of a show that I presented in Warsaw, Istanbul, and Paris. As many times as I’ve watched it now, I continued to be confused about how the original action was choreographed, before being reversed in post. Since I had the file with me, I knew it’d be easy enough to throw it into Premiere and re-reverse it, restoring the original motion to the film. With Ben’s blessing (after the fact), I went ahead and did it and have posted it to Vimeo. I do think it’s helped me learn a little something about the film, and I think the end (the former start) is actually pretty poignant in this newly flipped version. I also reversed the sound and titles as well, although Ben tells me there was some work on the original sound that won’t be revealed in my “righting” of the finished audio. I took the liberty of retitling this re-reversal too, which maybe means I think this is more than a footnote to the original. In any case, I do think it only works in palimpsestic relation to Ben’s film, so if you haven’t yet seen River Rites, check that out first here: https://vimeo.com/25532189 And the re-reversed version can be found on my Vimeo channel, for the moment with a password, here: https://vimeo.com/133853342 pw: brrb So, yes, an odd thing. I’d be curious to hear any reactions you have. … Roger ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
