Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
I've heard it claimed that Lost Highway was filmed in the same house. It seems unlikely to me as they look very different unless there has been extensive re-modelling. I suspect that Lost Highway is just very influenced by Meshes, but if anyone can confirm yay or nay that would be great. My perception is that it's just yet another one of those things someone somewhere made up and everyone believed... as they do... love Freya --- On Mon, 2/27/12, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org Subject: Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren... To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 11:05 PM Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren... It’s on North Kings Road, to be precise. I have the number somewhere. 1500 or 1600 block, I think? Above the Sunset Strip. Barbara Hammer just made a new film about Meshes, and filmed in the home. She introduced me to the current owner of the home, whose name I can’t remember. On 2/27/12 2:44 PM, carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:19:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, framewo...@re-voir.com writes: When I met Hammid in the late 1990s, he told me Meshes of the Afternoon was Maya's film. Of course he had more than a lot to do with it, but he attributed the whole creative concept to her. I'm sure he felt she was free to add music, and he did not claim any ownership or royalties in any way. -Pip Anyone know the address where it was shot in LA? You can tell from the first frames that it's around Woodrow Wilson Drive. The light's so obviously Hollywood Hills-- still looks the same up there, too. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
I¹ve never heard that. I think it more likely (and I may have read) that Lost Highway was filmed in Lynch¹s own house (well, for those scenes, not the prison) he has two or three bungalows of that sort adjacent to each other, or as a compound. On 2/29/12 2:10 PM, Freya freya...@yahoo.com wrote: I've heard it claimed that Lost Highway was filmed in the same house. It seems unlikely to me as they look very different unless there has been extensive re-modelling. I suspect that Lost Highway is just very influenced by Meshes, but if anyone can confirm yay or nay that would be great. My perception is that it's just yet another one of those things someone somewhere made up and everyone believed... as they do... love Freya --- On Mon, 2/27/12, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: From: Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org Subject: Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren... To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 11:05 PM Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren... It¹s on North Kings Road, to be precise. I have the number somewhere. 1500 or 1600 block, I think? Above the Sunset Strip. Barbara Hammer just made a new film about Meshes, and filmed in the home. She introduced me to the current owner of the home, whose name I can¹t remember. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
When I met Hammid in the late 1990s, he told me Meshes of the Afternoon was Maya's film. Of course he had more than a lot to do with it, but he attributed the whole creative concept to her. I'm sure he felt she was free to add music, and he did not claim any ownership or royalties in any way. -Pip ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
I'm not sure exactly how much detail your after, but Lauren Rabinovitz's extended discussion of Deren's films in the context of her relationship with Hammid (and others) is probably the most detailed bit of scholarship yet published that pursues the line of inquiry you're suggesting (i.e., how the films reflect different views of relationships and domesticity). Check it out at your local library! The book is called POINTS OF RESISTANCE: WOMEN, POWER AND POLITICS IN THE NEW YORK AVANT-GARDE CINEMA, 1943-71. From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] on behalf of David Tetzlaff [djte...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:08 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren... Does anyone the personal details of the end of the Deren/Hammid relationship? e.g. who filed for the divorce, was it mutual, what caused the breakup, etc.? I've always been curious how Meshes and Private Life of a Cat reflect different views of relationships and domesticity. Based on the films, I've always thought Hammid wanted to 'settle-down,' but Deren had other ideas, and more-or-less broke his heart. There's very little about their personal relationship in any web info about Deren, but I did learn just today on a Czech website devoted to Hammid as a master of Czech cinema (http://tinyurl.com/7vebqct), that his second wife was Hella Heyman -- who shot At Land and Ritual in Transfigured Time! These are the facts as I can gather them. 1941: The Kathleen Dunham Dance company goes to LA for several months to work in Hollywood, as Dunham's personal secretary, Elenora Deren goes along. There she meets Alexander Hackenscmid and they begin a romance. 1942: Deren and Hackenscmid get married. 1943: Deren and Hackenscmid create Meshes of the Afternoon. Deren adopts the first name 'Maya' 1944: Deren and Hackenscmid move to New York. Hella Heyman becomes Deren's principal cinematographer. Deren (with Heyman) makes At Land. Hackenscmid adopts the surname 'Hammid. 1946: Deren (with Heyman) makes Ritual in Transfigured Time. 1947: The Private Life of a Cat, credited to Hammid is completed. Deren presents Meshes of the Afternoon at Cannes. Hammid and Deren get divorced. Deren gets a Guggenheim fellowship and begins her study of Voudoun. 1948: Hammid and Heyman get married. They have two children, Julia (b. ~1951) and Tino (b. ~ 1952). Hella Hammid establishes a career as a still photographer for LIFE snd other publications, while Sasha Hammid works in documentary and educational films. 1951: Deren meets 16 year old Japanese musician Teiji Ito, and they begin a romantic relationship. 1959: Ito writes the score for Meshes of the Afternoon that now sems to accompany all copies of the film. 1960: Ito and Deren are married. 1961: Deren dies of a cerebral hemmorage, possibly exaccerbated by her use of (prescription?) amphetemines dating from her time with the Dunham company. 1974: Hella Hammmid moves to Los Angeles, while Sasha Hammid remains working in New York. She gets involved in 'Remote Viewing' (ESP) experiments, and becomes an important figure and heroine in parapsychology. 1992: Hella Hammid dies of breast cancer in Los Angeles. 2004: Sasha Hammid dies at age 96 in NYC. 2007: Julia and Tino Hammid both write comments to a brief blog entry about their father, in which they seem to take a less than sympathetic view of Maya Deren. http://tinyurl.com/2asz2dr --- So, just at a personal level, (I'm not thinking this has much if any aesthetic significance) I'm curious about what happened. How and why did Hammid and Deren grow apart. Did Heyman 'steal' Hammid, or 'grab him on the rebound,' or did Hammid begin to pursue Heyman while he was still married to Deren? Hammid and Deren both lived in NYC from 1944-1962. Did they move in the same social or artistic circles? Did they have any contact at all. How did they regard each other? What did Hammid think of Deren's 'adoption' of Ito? What was Deren's attitude toward Heyman after Heyman and Hammid married? What did Hammid think of Ito's score, and the fact it became part of the canonical version of 'Meshes'? Did they ask him? Did he approve? When Hella Hammid moved to LA and got into the parapsychology thing, did she and Hammid get divorced? Had their marriage disintegrated before that, or did her move come as a surprise? Is there anything more than coincidence in the parallels between Deren and Heyman-Hammid? (Deren gets divorced from Hammid and goes off to Haiti to get into Voodoun; Hella splits for LA and gets into ESP.) Did Sasha have a weak spot for women who were into weirder stuff than he could handle? All the people who knew Hammid seem to describe him as a modest, mellow self-effacing guy. Which makes me doubt he would have been the source of his kids' apparent antipathy to Deren (which, perhaps
Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
On Feb 28, 2012, at 4:08 AM, David Tetzlaff wrote: 1941: The Kathleen Dunham Dance company goes to LA for several months to work in Hollywood, as Dunham's personal secretary, Elenora Deren goes along. There she meets Alexander Hackenscmid and they begin a romance. It's worth noting that Dunham (an academically trained anthropologist) herself had been to Haiti (she eventually had a big house there which seems to have been a gathering place for artists and intellectuals) in the 30s) and studied Voudun. from Wikipedia: In 1935, Dunham was awarded travel fellowships from the Julius Rosenwald and Guggenheim foundations to conduct ethnographic study of the dance forms of the Caribbean, especially as manifested in the Vodunhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou of Haiti, a path also followed by fellow anthropology student Zora Neale Hurstonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zora_Neale_Hurston. She also received a grant to work with Professor Melville Herskovitshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melville_Herskovits of Northwestern Universityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_University, whose ideas of African retention would serve as a platform for her research in the Caribbean. ... Early in 1936 she arrived at last in Haitihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti, where she remained for several months, the first of her many extended stays in that country throughout the rest of her life. While in Haiti, Dunham investigated Vodunhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou rituals and made extensive notes on her research, particularly on the dance movements of the participants. Years later, after extensive studies and initiations, she became a mambo (priestess) in the Vodun religion. Deren was following in the fotsteps onf Dunham and Hurston when she went to Haiti. Chuck Kleinhans ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] speaking of Maya Deren...
It¹s on North Kings Road, to be precise. I have the number somewhere. 1500 or 1600 block, I think? Above the Sunset Strip. Barbara Hammer just made a new film about Meshes, and filmed in the home. She introduced me to the current owner of the home, whose name I can¹t remember. On 2/27/12 2:44 PM, carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:19:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, framewo...@re-voir.com writes: When I met Hammid in the late 1990s, he told me Meshes of the Afternoon was Maya's film. Of course he had more than a lot to do with it, but he attributed the whole creative concept to her. I'm sure he felt she was free to add music, and he did not claim any ownership or royalties in any way. -Pip Anyone know the address where it was shot in LA? You can tell from the first frames that it's around Woodrow Wilson Drive. The light's so obviously Hollywood Hills-- still looks the same up there, too. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
