Re: [FUG-BR] [FYI] the nuOS project - a whole NEW FreeBSD distro, NOT a fork

[Alessandro de Souza Rocha]

2013/7/8 Marcelo Gondim :
> Em 08/07/13 10:53, Welkson Renny de Medeiros escreveu:
>> Viram essa?
>>
>> Não seria mais fácil contribuir com o projeto FreeBSD em vez de criar uma
>> nova variante?
>>
>> Welkson
>>
>> .
>>
>> The nuOS project ( http://nuos.org ) is about bringing back the power to
>> the people! Currently, technical software, hardware and networking power.
>> Ultimately, the power of personal communication and community
>> self-organization. Currently made by geeks/nerds/hackers for
>> geeks/nerds/hackers, our intent is to create an entirely new software
>> ecosystem that promotes quality, easy to use software that is for
>> any-and-every man woman and child yet without lassoing us all into one herd
>> of sheeple. ;) Simple, common things should always be EASY. Complex,
>> amazing or never-before imagined things should always be POSSIBLE.
>>
>> We have a live image for download from our site. (Fully functional at 189
>> MB, just cat or dd to your 4 GB or larger usb drive or select it as a
>> flat-file virtual disk in your hypervisor of choice. It is not an ISO and
>> nuOS does not work well from optical media.) Or grab our source (currently
>> hosted by GitHub at
>> https://github.com/**CropCircleSys/nuOS
>> )
>> and build the entire system from any FreeBSD 9.1 system with one simple yet
>> deeply customizable command. (We only build/test on amd64 and would like
>> that to change in the future.)
>>
>> It is my belief that our software is PRODUCTION READY with our new beta
>> release. It might just be the answer to the management headaches you may be
>> having. Take the plunge tonight and find yourself breezing through your
>> day-job with "nu"-found ease tomorrow morning. If you're the comfortable
>> yet cautious type, watch the discussion for a week or two first instead.
>> Either way, we intend to cause a positive large and lasting motion in the
>> FreeBSD community.
>>
>> I hope you will give nuOS a look and offer your assessments and ask any
>> questions you have. Please tear it and us apart in discussion with the goal
>> of a better FreeBSD for us all! Documentation is one area that is sorely
>> lacking though it is mostly because Scott and I consider most of our code
>> clear enough to have been pretty self-documenting [for our purposes we've
>> had until now]. It is our hope that with the community's help we will bring
>> more and more of this platform to the high standard of quality that FreeBSD
>> is known for. We aren't trying to create our own new garden. We offer this
>> code with hopes that it, in part or in whole, might be some day included in
>> canonical FreeBSD releases.
>>
>> We have NO intention on forking FreeBSD and are instead developing a very
>> lightweight suite of tools which hopefully capture and collect modern best
>> practices while providing a testing and proving ground for advanced FreeBSD
>> features. We want to bring computing to more people, bring more computer
>> users to open source, bring more high-value and responsible open-source
>> users to FreeBSD and bring more current FreeBSD users guidance and
>> enlightenment regarding advanced features in the face of FreeBSD's typical
>> adherence to maximal backward compatibility, legacy support and solid
>> ground yet sometimes daunting array of intimately detailed configuration
>> choices.
>>
>> We do not seek to limit those choices or to shift the ground beneath
>> current FreeBSD users' feet. We seek to offer an alternative flavor of
>> default system for those interested in taking a step back from their
>> current perspective in order to take a giant flying leap forward. This
>> doesn't mean giving up anything in terms of compatibility or
>> configurabilty, quite the contrary. Throughout our evolution, we seek to
>> always maintain the environment that FreeBSD users have come to know and
>> love while reducing the issues that sometimes irk them. We simply seek to
>> provide a better way to structure, provision and maintain production
>> systems and development processes.
>>
>> Outline of features:
>>
>> Extends plain old FreeBSD 9.1 (RELEASE or STABLE) and maintains total
>> compatibility
>> We seek to remain nimble
>>  Expect a production-ready seal of approval to lag behind releases by no
>> more than a week or two
>>  and prebuilt images and packages
>>  e.g. releases like 9.2 and 10.0, et al
>>  Someone should be able to build it and use all applicable
>> features on 8.4 with ease
>>  we simply haven't the time or inclination to even try
>> Default full ZFS filesystem layout, completely legacy-free
>>  Boot from ZFS, boot to ZFS
>>  If you'd like use all 100.0% of all your drives for one large zpool
>>  Use one large zpool for all of your
>>  filesystems
>>  block volumes
>>  alternate boot environments, including one called "rescue"
>> which is included
>>  

Re: [FUG-BR] [FYI] the nuOS project - a whole NEW FreeBSD distro, NOT a fork

[Marcelo Gondim]

Em 08/07/13 10:53, Welkson Renny de Medeiros escreveu:
> Viram essa?
>
> Não seria mais fácil contribuir com o projeto FreeBSD em vez de criar uma
> nova variante?
>
> Welkson
>
> .
>
> The nuOS project ( http://nuos.org ) is about bringing back the power to
> the people! Currently, technical software, hardware and networking power.
> Ultimately, the power of personal communication and community
> self-organization. Currently made by geeks/nerds/hackers for
> geeks/nerds/hackers, our intent is to create an entirely new software
> ecosystem that promotes quality, easy to use software that is for
> any-and-every man woman and child yet without lassoing us all into one herd
> of sheeple. ;) Simple, common things should always be EASY. Complex,
> amazing or never-before imagined things should always be POSSIBLE.
>
> We have a live image for download from our site. (Fully functional at 189
> MB, just cat or dd to your 4 GB or larger usb drive or select it as a
> flat-file virtual disk in your hypervisor of choice. It is not an ISO and
> nuOS does not work well from optical media.) Or grab our source (currently
> hosted by GitHub at
> https://github.com/**CropCircleSys/nuOS
> )
> and build the entire system from any FreeBSD 9.1 system with one simple yet
> deeply customizable command. (We only build/test on amd64 and would like
> that to change in the future.)
>
> It is my belief that our software is PRODUCTION READY with our new beta
> release. It might just be the answer to the management headaches you may be
> having. Take the plunge tonight and find yourself breezing through your
> day-job with "nu"-found ease tomorrow morning. If you're the comfortable
> yet cautious type, watch the discussion for a week or two first instead.
> Either way, we intend to cause a positive large and lasting motion in the
> FreeBSD community.
>
> I hope you will give nuOS a look and offer your assessments and ask any
> questions you have. Please tear it and us apart in discussion with the goal
> of a better FreeBSD for us all! Documentation is one area that is sorely
> lacking though it is mostly because Scott and I consider most of our code
> clear enough to have been pretty self-documenting [for our purposes we've
> had until now]. It is our hope that with the community's help we will bring
> more and more of this platform to the high standard of quality that FreeBSD
> is known for. We aren't trying to create our own new garden. We offer this
> code with hopes that it, in part or in whole, might be some day included in
> canonical FreeBSD releases.
>
> We have NO intention on forking FreeBSD and are instead developing a very
> lightweight suite of tools which hopefully capture and collect modern best
> practices while providing a testing and proving ground for advanced FreeBSD
> features. We want to bring computing to more people, bring more computer
> users to open source, bring more high-value and responsible open-source
> users to FreeBSD and bring more current FreeBSD users guidance and
> enlightenment regarding advanced features in the face of FreeBSD's typical
> adherence to maximal backward compatibility, legacy support and solid
> ground yet sometimes daunting array of intimately detailed configuration
> choices.
>
> We do not seek to limit those choices or to shift the ground beneath
> current FreeBSD users' feet. We seek to offer an alternative flavor of
> default system for those interested in taking a step back from their
> current perspective in order to take a giant flying leap forward. This
> doesn't mean giving up anything in terms of compatibility or
> configurabilty, quite the contrary. Throughout our evolution, we seek to
> always maintain the environment that FreeBSD users have come to know and
> love while reducing the issues that sometimes irk them. We simply seek to
> provide a better way to structure, provision and maintain production
> systems and development processes.
>
> Outline of features:
>
> Extends plain old FreeBSD 9.1 (RELEASE or STABLE) and maintains total
> compatibility
> We seek to remain nimble
>  Expect a production-ready seal of approval to lag behind releases by no
> more than a week or two
>  and prebuilt images and packages
>  e.g. releases like 9.2 and 10.0, et al
>  Someone should be able to build it and use all applicable
> features on 8.4 with ease
>  we simply haven't the time or inclination to even try
> Default full ZFS filesystem layout, completely legacy-free
>  Boot from ZFS, boot to ZFS
>  If you'd like use all 100.0% of all your drives for one large zpool
>  Use one large zpool for all of your
>  filesystems
>  block volumes
>  alternate boot environments, including one called "rescue"
> which is included
>  NO partitions, not some tiny /, not even a /boot
>  Just ZFS datasets in their infinite flexibility
>   

Re: [FUG-BR] [FYI] the nuOS project - a whole NEW FreeBSD distro, NOT a fork

[Marco Carvalho de Oliveira]

Olá,

Segue uma parte do texto que você passou:

"We have NO intention on forking FreeBSD and are instead developing a very
lightweight suite of tools which hopefully capture and collect modern best
practices while providing a testing and proving ground for advanced FreeBSD
features. We want to bring computing to more people, bring more computer
users to open source, bring more high-value and responsible open-source
users to FreeBSD and bring more current FreeBSD users guidance and
enlightenment regarding advanced features in the face of FreeBSD's typical
adherence to maximal backward compatibility, legacy support and solid
ground yet sometimes daunting array of intimately detailed configuration
choices."

Eles estão com uma proposta parecida com o PC-BSD, midnightBSD, ghostBSD ...

Na prática se ajudar de qualquer maneira está bom, seja divulgado ou usando


E este ponto de fork tem que sempre ser bem analisado. Digo por exemplo o
grande fork do DragonflyBSD, ou o OpenBSD sendo fork do NetBSD. Geralmente
os forks no BSD a coisa é mais decente .. a ídeia são propostas de SO ou
alterações bruscas no core do sistema. Claro que existem forks maleficos
por intriga interna no desenvolvimento de alguns software, mas isto é
minoria.

O que não podemos fazer é Linuxiar XP ... criar forks da distro pai e
deixar imcompatível , ou mesmo soh mudar a skin e fazer marketing em cima
disto ( sim eu sei o termo seria remaster ) , e tudo em cima do mesmo
sistema operacional com o mesmo core ( linux) criar sistemas de pacotes
incompatíveis... neste ponto concordo plenamente que o fork não é legal.

No mais isto é uma boa conversa para um bar com um chopp !!

Att.

2013/7/8 Welkson Renny de Medeiros 

> Viram essa?
>
> Não seria mais fácil contribuir com o projeto FreeBSD em vez de criar uma
> nova variante?
>
> Welkson
>
> .
>
> The nuOS project ( http://nuos.org ) is about bringing back the power to
> the people! Currently, technical software, hardware and networking power.
> Ultimately, the power of personal communication and community
> self-organization. Currently made by geeks/nerds/hackers for
> geeks/nerds/hackers, our intent is to create an entirely new software
> ecosystem that promotes quality, easy to use software that is for
> any-and-every man woman and child yet without lassoing us all into one herd
> of sheeple. ;) Simple, common things should always be EASY. Complex,
> amazing or never-before imagined things should always be POSSIBLE.
>
> We have a live image for download from our site. (Fully functional at 189
> MB, just cat or dd to your 4 GB or larger usb drive or select it as a
> flat-file virtual disk in your hypervisor of choice. It is not an ISO and
> nuOS does not work well from optical media.) Or grab our source (currently
> hosted by GitHub at
> https://github.com/**CropCircleSys/nuOS<
> https://github.com/CropCircleSys/nuOS>
> )
> and build the entire system from any FreeBSD 9.1 system with one simple yet
> deeply customizable command. (We only build/test on amd64 and would like
> that to change in the future.)
>
> It is my belief that our software is PRODUCTION READY with our new beta
> release. It might just be the answer to the management headaches you may be
> having. Take the plunge tonight and find yourself breezing through your
> day-job with "nu"-found ease tomorrow morning. If you're the comfortable
> yet cautious type, watch the discussion for a week or two first instead.
> Either way, we intend to cause a positive large and lasting motion in the
> FreeBSD community.
>
> I hope you will give nuOS a look and offer your assessments and ask any
> questions you have. Please tear it and us apart in discussion with the goal
> of a better FreeBSD for us all! Documentation is one area that is sorely
> lacking though it is mostly because Scott and I consider most of our code
> clear enough to have been pretty self-documenting [for our purposes we've
> had until now]. It is our hope that with the community's help we will bring
> more and more of this platform to the high standard of quality that FreeBSD
> is known for. We aren't trying to create our own new garden. We offer this
> code with hopes that it, in part or in whole, might be some day included in
> canonical FreeBSD releases.
>
> We have NO intention on forking FreeBSD and are instead developing a very
> lightweight suite of tools which hopefully capture and collect modern best
> practices while providing a testing and proving ground for advanced FreeBSD
> features. We want to bring computing to more people, bring more computer
> users to open source, bring more high-value and responsible open-source
> users to FreeBSD and bring more current FreeBSD users guidance and
> enlightenment regarding advanced features in the face of FreeBSD's typical
> adherence to maximal backward compatibility, legacy support and solid
> ground yet sometimes daunting array of intimately detailed configuration
> choices.
>
> We do not seek to limit those

[FUG-BR] [FYI] the nuOS project - a whole NEW FreeBSD distro, NOT a fork

[Welkson Renny de Medeiros]

Viram essa?

Não seria mais fácil contribuir com o projeto FreeBSD em vez de criar uma
nova variante?

Welkson

.

The nuOS project ( http://nuos.org ) is about bringing back the power to
the people! Currently, technical software, hardware and networking power.
Ultimately, the power of personal communication and community
self-organization. Currently made by geeks/nerds/hackers for
geeks/nerds/hackers, our intent is to create an entirely new software
ecosystem that promotes quality, easy to use software that is for
any-and-every man woman and child yet without lassoing us all into one herd
of sheeple. ;) Simple, common things should always be EASY. Complex,
amazing or never-before imagined things should always be POSSIBLE.

We have a live image for download from our site. (Fully functional at 189
MB, just cat or dd to your 4 GB or larger usb drive or select it as a
flat-file virtual disk in your hypervisor of choice. It is not an ISO and
nuOS does not work well from optical media.) Or grab our source (currently
hosted by GitHub at
https://github.com/**CropCircleSys/nuOS
)
and build the entire system from any FreeBSD 9.1 system with one simple yet
deeply customizable command. (We only build/test on amd64 and would like
that to change in the future.)

It is my belief that our software is PRODUCTION READY with our new beta
release. It might just be the answer to the management headaches you may be
having. Take the plunge tonight and find yourself breezing through your
day-job with "nu"-found ease tomorrow morning. If you're the comfortable
yet cautious type, watch the discussion for a week or two first instead.
Either way, we intend to cause a positive large and lasting motion in the
FreeBSD community.

I hope you will give nuOS a look and offer your assessments and ask any
questions you have. Please tear it and us apart in discussion with the goal
of a better FreeBSD for us all! Documentation is one area that is sorely
lacking though it is mostly because Scott and I consider most of our code
clear enough to have been pretty self-documenting [for our purposes we've
had until now]. It is our hope that with the community's help we will bring
more and more of this platform to the high standard of quality that FreeBSD
is known for. We aren't trying to create our own new garden. We offer this
code with hopes that it, in part or in whole, might be some day included in
canonical FreeBSD releases.

We have NO intention on forking FreeBSD and are instead developing a very
lightweight suite of tools which hopefully capture and collect modern best
practices while providing a testing and proving ground for advanced FreeBSD
features. We want to bring computing to more people, bring more computer
users to open source, bring more high-value and responsible open-source
users to FreeBSD and bring more current FreeBSD users guidance and
enlightenment regarding advanced features in the face of FreeBSD's typical
adherence to maximal backward compatibility, legacy support and solid
ground yet sometimes daunting array of intimately detailed configuration
choices.

We do not seek to limit those choices or to shift the ground beneath
current FreeBSD users' feet. We seek to offer an alternative flavor of
default system for those interested in taking a step back from their
current perspective in order to take a giant flying leap forward. This
doesn't mean giving up anything in terms of compatibility or
configurabilty, quite the contrary. Throughout our evolution, we seek to
always maintain the environment that FreeBSD users have come to know and
love while reducing the issues that sometimes irk them. We simply seek to
provide a better way to structure, provision and maintain production
systems and development processes.

Outline of features:

Extends plain old FreeBSD 9.1 (RELEASE or STABLE) and maintains total
compatibility
We seek to remain nimble
Expect a production-ready seal of approval to lag behind releases by no
more than a week or two
and prebuilt images and packages
e.g. releases like 9.2 and 10.0, et al
Someone should be able to build it and use all applicable
features on 8.4 with ease
we simply haven't the time or inclination to even try
Default full ZFS filesystem layout, completely legacy-free
Boot from ZFS, boot to ZFS
If you'd like use all 100.0% of all your drives for one large zpool
Use one large zpool for all of your
filesystems
block volumes
alternate boot environments, including one called "rescue"
which is included
NO partitions, not some tiny /, not even a /boot
Just ZFS datasets in their infinite flexibility
/etc is now a ZFS dataset of its own
How did we do it?
Decades of conventional wisdom says /etc must be on /.
Check it out, discuss the whys and the trade-offs.
nu_jail - provision al