Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread CL Moonriver
Can you clarify what you mean? Performance benchmarks like that are, after all, often of limited value when it comes to why one might choose one OS over another. A lot of other things factor into the decision. Security, stability, consistency, ease of configuration and administration, etc.

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority list: > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows-freebsd112-8linux=1 FreeBSD performance is really bad on some comparisons there. > Focusing on software would have made FreeBSD do

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Warner Losh
The plan is to do another revision, this time in public. We've already done the first round of data collection and have data to inform the revisions. Now that core election is done, progress can be made. Replying point by point to this misleading and slanted assessment is not wothwhile. Warner

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Erich Dollansky < freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote: > > Does anybody need more: > > Keep it civil. > Be tolerant. > Remember that you are in public and that your actions determine the > public perception of the project. Do not make it personal.

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, do you think that this will bring back programmers? Erich On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:43:10 -0600 Warner Losh wrote: > The plan is to do another revision, this time in public. We've > already done the first round of data collection and have data to > inform the revisions. Now that core

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Warner Losh
Which ones left, exactly? Warner On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Erich Dollansky < freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote: > Hi, > > do you think that this will bring back programmers? > > Erich > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:43:10 -0600 > Warner Losh wrote: > > > The plan is to do another

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, do you think that this will bring back programmers? No one who was making significant contributions to architectual performance problems has left or stopped their contributions. We lost a few ports committers, at least one of which was

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Andras Farkas
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were OK in > the 90's, but we live in a different internet world today. These are good > guidelines and great advice, but make it hard to take action when > necessary. I wish it

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were OK > in > > the 90's, but we live in a different internet world today. These are good > > guidelines and great

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Adam
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas > wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were > OK > > in > > > the 90's, but we live in a

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Ted Hatfield
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Adam wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were OK in the 90's, but we

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Jeff Roberson
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Adam wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote: On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas wrote: > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past.

Re: CoC does not help in benchmarks

2018-07-15 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 20:21:30 +0200 "Julian H. Stacey" wrote: > Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority > > list: > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows-freebsd112-8linux=1 > > > > FreeBSD performance is