Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?
Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?
2009/9/28 Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. Which then leads the FreeBSD community to give those products a miss and use alternatives, or find ways of running them without vendor support, which further reduces demand. I guess from an advocacy perspective, it's hard to get enthused about this as the alternatives seem more attractive. It's not like hardware drivers that do constrain usage and development. Tony ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Ivan Voras wrote: Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue. Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ? thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
2008 EuroBSDCon PDF and Audio ?
Hi: Every year the EuroBSDCon has a new host site and the slides and audio/video seem to go missing after a while. i'm trying to locate the stuff in 2009, about the 2008 EuroBSDCon talks page at http://2008.eurobsdcon.org/talks.html Does anybody know how the various slides and audio/video can be retrieved ? Please excuse me as i am a newbie and was wondering if there is a technical reason for not having the slides and media stuff consolidated at a single site ? Thanks in advance. thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?
Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue. Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ? IMO enough noise. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 2008 EuroBSDCon PDF and Audio ?
Hi, Reference: From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:35:30 +0530 (IST) Message-id: alpine.bsf.2.00.0909281729110.99...@freebsd Saifi Khan wrote: Hi: Every year the EuroBSDCon has a new host site and the slides and audio/video seem to go missing after a while. i'm trying to locate the stuff in 2009, about the 2008 EuroBSDCon talks page at http://2008.eurobsdcon.org/talks.html Does anybody know how the various slides and audio/video can be retrieved ? Please excuse me as i am a newbie and was wondering if there is a technical reason for not having the slides and media stuff consolidated at a single site ? [I believe I know the answer to that, but] ... I don't see it does any good for you to ask get answers on that question via advocay@, 'cos that's not where those responsible could best be Direct contacted to improve things. Please think where you should first direct address your many questions. Dont dump all to advoc...@freebsd.org. eg in this case use the whois command for the domain name @eurobsdcon.org, First mail there, or to postmas...@eurobsdcon.org or webmas...@eurobsdcon.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 295, Issue 1
and professional solution if you ask me, just because its not point and click friendly shouldn't be some kind of excuse, to me its and clean and pure as I could dream. We hired a person directly from Oracle full time to build a new database project on Oracle. After it was all built and been using it for about 2 years I just thought it was a bit of a disgrace. Oracle is brittle, unreliable and expensive. We had FreeBSD+MySQL along side it the whole time and it was just so much more reliable and faster for the same amount of hardware. Oracle by packaged design is meant to encourage a comparatively massive amount of hardware investment compared to what could be achieved with MySQL and FreeBSD. I think it is just as much about masking its crap performance then any other argument. I think Oracle is a about of system of making money out of false beliefs, it takes full advantage of corporate companies conservative beliefs and is probably only the reasonable solution for at best 5% of the companies it lives at, its all a matter of opinion which would be argued more from how much money a set of individuals are making out of it over a better technical solution. Some how Oracle want people to believe that a few 100's thousand dollars for their software is vastly superior to any other DB in the world is just nonsense. There is not any other mass scale pieces of software that most company's need where there is some how a magically vastly superior solution. There is no single/few license $100,000 operating system, no single/few license $100,000 excel, no single/few license $100,000 web server. I guess what I am saying at the end of this is that if you can avoid Oracle that is great, I fully recommend you do. Just because you can buy MySQL Enterprise Server far more cheaply and install/deploy it far more easily on more different platforms isn't something to be suspicious about, its just a better software solution and I recommend you take full advantage of it while you still can. -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:49:36 +0200 From: Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: h9ptb8$oi...@ger.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 259 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20090928/986fcfbf/signature-0001.pgp -- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:20:23 +1000 From: Tony Theodore to...@logyst.com Subject: Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? To: Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: 22166b750909280320r3356c113l8d54e46279f27...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2009/9/28 Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. Which then leads the FreeBSD community to give those products a miss and use alternatives, or find ways of running them without vendor support, which further reduces demand. I guess from an advocacy perspective, it's hard to get enthused about this as the alternatives seem more attractive. It's not like hardware drivers that do constrain usage and development. Tony -- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:00:37 +0530 (IST) From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org Subject: Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ? To: Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: alpine.bsf.2.00.0909281659210.98...@freebsd Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Ivan Voras wrote: Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing
Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?
2009/9/28 Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org: On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Ivan Voras wrote: Saifi Khan wrote: Hi all: In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed that there is: . no SAP for FreeBSD . no DB2 for FreeBSD . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD . no Informix for FreeBSD Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. What could be reason for this ? An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD. Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue. Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ? Something like that is very tedious and hard, mostly because it's a chicken-and-the-end problem. Vendors will not develop products (and device drivers) for platforms with few users because it's unprofitable, and users will not use new platforms that have low vendor support. For a very pertinent example, see Linux - it has a vastly bigger user base and it's still largely unsupported by sw hw vendors. There is no completely right solution for this - you can't even create a global survey of users that would possibly use a new platform if it were supported and submit it to vendors because the users are not well enough informed about it. One angle that would be interesting to play with vendors would be the BSD license - enabling them to create proprietary solutions - but apparently vendors are not that scared of the GPL. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 295, Issue 1
Il 28/09/2009 14.38, Kevin Hatfield ha scritto: The simplest most effective way to grow the FreeBSD userbase is indemnification. Large companies that purchase RHEL/SuSE, etc. It's not because they don't know what they're doing as someone mentioned above. Most of the large Enterprise RHEL/SUSE contracts come down to indemnification with support being a bonus. I strongly agree and also share my personal experience in deploying a massive system (3600 distributed boxes) in which Red Hat was adopted and FreeBSD (even if the project would actually work better under FreeBSD) just becase if we run out of ideas we can always call red hat italy. This is a huge problem. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software -- -- Don Wilde Engineering the Future http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 8.0 vs. Ubuntu 9.10 Benchmarks (also fbsd 7.2)
check it out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=freebsd8_ubuntu910num=1 Jan -- --- | Jan Husar | | doing what matters | http://www.earthcause.org | http://www.skosi.org Open Source mission to Kosovo and eastern balcans http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=125834024563 Open Source mission to save Galapagos Islands http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=43708354604 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Hi, From: Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com Don Wilde wrote: http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software Article contains The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved. Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge to be open forever more, and everything developed after that was ATT's property. False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless). The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much anyway - they signed non disclosures. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Don Wilde wrote: What is incorrect, Julian? .. etc. In 1977 I started learning Unix V6 as a Unix newbie. There were no UCB bits I heard of till csh job control vi floated in to my Uni. a few years on, maybe 1980 +/- a year or 2, I'd guess about 82. Can't remember when I heard of first complete BSD releases for PDP/VAX but after the individual bits. man 3 ctime The functions ctime(), gmtime() and localtime() all take as an argument a time value representing the time in seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). 1970 in context quoted below ? No. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: From: Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com Don Wilde wrote: http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software Article contains The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved. Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge to be open forever more, and everything developed after that was ATT's property. False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless). The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much anyway - they signed non disclosures. -- -- Don Wilde Engineering the Future http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Thank you, Julian - Me bits be scrambled, methinks. Apologies all, correcting it I am now., For the record, the agreement was made in 1994. Here is the complete text. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041126130302760 -- :D On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: Don Wilde wrote: What is incorrect, Julian? .. etc. In 1977 I started learning Unix V6 as a Unix newbie. There were no UCB bits I heard of till csh job control vi floated in to my Uni. a few years on, maybe 1980 +/- a year or 2, I'd guess about 82. Can't remember when I heard of first complete BSD releases for PDP/VAX but after the individual bits. man 3 ctime The functions ctime(), gmtime() and localtime() all take as an argument a time value representing the time in seconds since the Epoch (00:00:00 UTC, January 1, 1970; see time(3)). 1970 in context quoted below ? No. On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: From: Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com Don Wilde wrote: http://www.engineeringjobfuture.com/articles/leverage/open-source-software Article contains The lawsuit was bitterly contested, but finally resolved. Everything developed before 1970 was declared by a judge to be open forever more, and everything developed after that was ATT's property. False. I stopped reading at that point, after all, the journalist was probably just winging it, after a few emails to people who read the activity at the time (inc many of us doubtless). The people who know Most about the UCB Lite agreement, won't speak much anyway - they signed non disclosures. -- -- Don Wilde Engineering the Future http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ -- -- Don Wilde Engineering the Future http://www.EngineeringJobFuture.com ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com writes: What is incorrect, Julian? Pretty much everything about the lawsuit. http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/USLsettlement.pdf I found the phrase everything developed before 1970 particularly amusing, as it translates to approximately zero, plus or minus zero. Oh, and pretty much everything else as well. The practice of sharing source code without compensation (and the term copyleft) can be traced to a hobbyist magazine that later developed into Dr Dobb's, and predates 3BSD (1BSD and 2BSD were only add-ons, not OS distributions) by about five years. The first explicit discussion of free software as such was in an article published in the July 1976 issue of SIGPLAN in reaction to Bill Gate's (in)famous open letter. The first organized F/OSS movement was, like it or not, the GNU Project started by Richard Stallman in 1983. At that time, BSD was distributed only to institutions that already held an ATT source code license. The network stack was open sourced in the late eighties, the rest of the system in the early-to-mid nineties. He was drinking beer by the pitcher, so I'm sure he was more forthcoming than usual. I neither know nor care whether that statement is true, but it's not a particularly nice thing to say about anyone. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: leveraging FOSS, especially FreeBSD
Don Wilde dwil...@gmail.com writes: Dag-Erling, I remember you quite well as a core developer, so I don't doubt that your knowledge of history is better than mine. Never been on core. My knowledge of this matter comes from researching it (thoroughly) for the history section of a presentation on open source licensing. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 295, Issue 1
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:20 -, andrea wrote: Il 28/09/2009 14.38, Kevin Hatfield ha scritto: The simplest most effective way to grow the FreeBSD userbase is indemnification. Large companies that purchase RHEL/SuSE, etc. It's not because they don't know what they're doing as someone mentioned above. Most of the large Enterprise RHEL/SUSE contracts come down to indemnification with support being a bonus. I strongly agree and also share my personal experience in deploying a massive system (3600 distributed boxes) in which Red Hat was adopted and FreeBSD (even if the project would actually work better under FreeBSD) just becase if we run out of ideas we can always call red hat italy. This is a huge problem. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org So basically... Bottom line is we need a stronger commercial support base than what is already implemented. Building upon that maybe more attention should be posed at getting certified BSD professionals into commercial support infrastructure sites that can influence small changes that impact future growth and funding. Personally I am working on a company that is not even 1 city block away from me and at this time they support all forms of Linux and they are a remote IT support type entity that is handling database technologies and VoIP. I am looking at coming on as a BSD advocate to broaden their range of support. If there is any suggestions that I could make as a selling point for a career at a company that does not offer any type of BSD support yet, I would certainly appreciate any feedback and ideas. Best regards Were Here -- - (2^(N-1)) ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-advocacy-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
