Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-28 Thread Ivan Voras
Saifi Khan wrote:
 Hi all:
 
 In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
 that there is:
  . no SAP for FreeBSD
  . no DB2 for FreeBSD
  . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
  . no Informix for FreeBSD 
 
 Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
 database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. 
 What could be reason for this ?

An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes
it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD.



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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-28 Thread Tony Theodore
2009/9/28 Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org

 Saifi Khan wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
  that there is:
   . no SAP for FreeBSD
   . no DB2 for FreeBSD
   . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
   . no Informix for FreeBSD
 
  Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
  database setups have given FreeBSD a miss.
  What could be reason for this ?

 An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes
 it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD.

 Which then leads the FreeBSD community to give those products a miss and
use alternatives, or find ways of running them without vendor support, which
further reduces demand.

I guess from an advocacy perspective, it's hard to get enthused about this
as the alternatives seem more attractive. It's not like hardware drivers
that do constrain usage and development.

Tony
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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-28 Thread Saifi Khan
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Ivan Voras wrote:

 Saifi Khan wrote:
  Hi all:
  
  In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
  that there is:
   . no SAP for FreeBSD
   . no DB2 for FreeBSD
   . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
   . no Informix for FreeBSD 
  
  Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
  database setups have given FreeBSD a miss. 
  What could be reason for this ?
 
 An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes
 it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD.
 

Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue.

Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ?


thanks
Saifi.

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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-28 Thread Julian H. Stacey
 Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue.
 
 Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ?

IMO enough noise.

Cheers,
Julian
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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-28 Thread Ivan Voras
2009/9/28 Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org:
 On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Ivan Voras wrote:

 Saifi Khan wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
  that there is:
   . no SAP for FreeBSD
   . no DB2 for FreeBSD
   . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
   . no Informix for FreeBSD
 
  Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
  database setups have given FreeBSD a miss.
  What could be reason for this ?

 An obvious guess would be that the userbase is too small and that makes
 it unprofitable to support the products on FreeBSD.


 Thanks for providing the perspective on the issue.

 Here is a rather straight query, how do we grow the userbase ?

Something like that is very tedious and hard, mostly because it's a
chicken-and-the-end problem. Vendors will not develop products (and
device drivers) for platforms with few users because it's
unprofitable, and users will not use new platforms that have low
vendor support. For a very pertinent example, see Linux - it has a
vastly bigger user base and it's still largely unsupported by sw  hw
vendors.

There is no completely right solution for this - you can't even
create a global survey of users that would possibly use a new platform
if it were supported and submit it to vendors because the users  are
not well enough informed about it.

One angle that would be interesting to play with vendors would be the
BSD license - enabling them to create proprietary solutions  - but
apparently vendors are not that scared of the GPL.
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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-26 Thread Marius Nünnerich
On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 08:57, Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org wrote:
 Hi all:

 In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
 that there is:
  . no SAP for FreeBSD
  . no DB2 for FreeBSD
  . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
  . no Informix for FreeBSD

 Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
 database setups have given FreeBSD a miss.
 What could be reason for this ?

Same answer as last time: Please ask the respective vendors and report back.
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Re: Why no SAP nor DB2 on FreeBSD ?

2009-09-26 Thread Saifi Khan
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Marius N?nnerich wrote:

 On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 08:57, Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org wrote:
  Hi all:
 
  In continuation of my investigation of Oracle, i also noticed
  that there is:
   . no SAP for FreeBSD
   . no DB2 for FreeBSD
   . no Sybase ASE for FreeBSD
   . no Informix for FreeBSD
 
  Discouing PostgreSql installations, effectively enterprise
  database setups have given FreeBSD a miss.
  What could be reason for this ?
 
 Same answer as last time: Please ask the respective vendors and report back.
 

This cannot be accidental. So this time, i've taken a two-pronged approach.
1. checking information on vendor sites and with contacts.
2. close analysis of discussions on freebsd-hackers during 2003-2005 time frame.


thanks
Saifi.

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