Re: The sorry state of open source today
--- Matt Olander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems more like legitimate debate going on to me ;-) Legitimate, granted. But I was hurt by the way he has put things. Imagine how it is to have a blog with almost 2,900 posts written by me since Aug. 12, 2005. This makes an average of 4.6 posts/day. From the 4,230 comments posted by readers over the time, some of them were very offensive (hundreds), but just figure it that I had to reject hundreds of _very_ offensive comments. I must be tired and writing such a polemical `feature' (essay) in 3 days was exhausting. I was then very much surprised to see that the most coherent attack (on both me and Jem -- `The sorry state of The Jem Report', remember?) is coming from a FreeBSD developer. FYI, the FreeBSD Foundation has not yet signed off Well, with or without the Flash agreement, 99.999% of the users will find their way. Thanks for your clarifications, R-C Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
--- Tom Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was it that you said then? I actually cannot remember. Page 7: Except for the *BSD family, whose members are either _*_backed_*_ by 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations like The FreeBSD Foundation or the NetBSD Project, or the task of individuals like Theo de Raadt for OpenBSD and Matt Dillon for DragonFly BSD (by the way, your donations to either of them are appreciated), the 500+ Linux distributions fall roughly into two main categories: the vast majority of the distributions are made by the enthusiasts, for the enthusiasts, and a given number of them are mainstream distros, supposed to be trustworthy and polished enough to satisfy both the corporate-minded user and the home user. Backed != controlled. Next time write about dogs if you don't want all the attention. ;) Nay, because I love cats, and guess who is a cat lover too? ;-) OK, moving on, I am back to better feelings now. The next week I have to migrate my home Linux installations to FreeBSD and NetBSD. I have four different Linhooks distros currently. Cheers, R-C Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The sorry state of open source today
Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the FreeBSD guys. http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 R-C Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the FreeBSD guys. http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 R-C Hi R-C, You have definitely blogged an interesting piece! I hardly think that Dag's coherent rebuttal regarding a few points he disagrees with and a readers mail to advocacy@, while digesting your article, demonstrate how aggressive FreeBSD developers can be, as you state in that post. It seems more like legitimate debate going on to me ;-) FYI, the FreeBSD Foundation has not yet signed off on the Flash re-distribution agreement with Adobe and there is no guarantee that they will. While I don't see any strong reasons why it shouldn't be signed, installing Flash on FreeBSD is painless and there might not be a great deal of reasons to change the way the system currently works. best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - Servers for Open Source http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Radu-Cristian FOTESCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Really, folks, what makes you so aggressive?! I was hurt, and disappointed. I was having higher expectations from the FreeBSD guys. http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2858 R-C I wouldn't take DES' comments to be that aggressive or take much offense to them. After reading over some of the emails and his comments, in most cases it seemed more that he was pointing out that the Foundation isn't in control of the FreeBSD Project. This is true. There is, of course, a chance I missed a comment that was offensive. And if so, I'm sorry that it was missed; however, you need to understand that you acted like a reporter. You placed yourself in a position as a public figure and in a situation where people might disagree with what you had to say. Not everyone will like it. Not everyone will agree with you. It's true that the negative attention will of course be noticed much quicker and easier than the positive - that's just life. Furthermore, not to further offend you, I read the name of your article: The sorry state of open source today as more anti-open source comments from Microsoft drones and was a little unhappy until DES pointed out what it really was. Just take the good with the bad and just move on, you should have expected a mix of positive and negative reactions. Thanks, -- Tom Rhodes ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: The subject refers to an editorial by Radu-Cristian Fotescu, which was published on the author's own website and in The Jem Report: http://beranger.org/feature/sorryfeature.php http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/309/ The article contains several factual errors regarding FreeBSD. I have posted a rebuttal on my blog: http://maycontaintracesofbolts.blogspot.com/2007/04/sorry-state-of-jem-report.html DES I'll rebut you're rebuttal =-) You're absolutely correct about feature-based vs time-based being a problem. However, KSE was NOT, I REPEAT NOT, the major nor the second major reason for the FreeBSD 5.x problems. 5.x releases suffered from the following problems that were much larger and much more immediate: - ULE and the modularized scheduler - PREEMPTION - ATA - UFS2 - Immature locking model, too much Giant Now, I'll entertain that the KSE development caused hurt feelings among some developers, but that was a professionalism issue, not a technical issue. I also do agree that M:N is a nice academic theory that has run into real-world roadblocks, and that FreeBSD seems to be better off in the end with 1:1 threads, just like most other OSes. But KSE was a stepping stone to get there; without it, who knows when we would have moved passed libc_r? It was a definitely a painful step, but it would have been much more painful to not have any alternatives to libc_r. I'm glad that the project and certain developers in it had the courage to do it AND to stick with it to resolve the tough problems. Scott ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
José Manuel Molina Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What can be said about a guy that repeats Our friends, the software patents in several chapters. If you think he favors software patents, you need to read the article again - carefully. He does play the devil's advocate early on, but he comes down squarely against them. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The sorry state of open source today
Yes, it's true that I've been posting as I was reading, in fact he seems to have good feelings with the *BSD family. Anyway, the chapter bugs in the free is a total nonsense. On 4/18/07, Dag-Erling Smørgrav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: José Manuel Molina Pascual [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What can be said about a guy that repeats Our friends, the software patents in several chapters. If you think he favors software patents, you need to read the article again - carefully. He does play the devil's advocate early on, but he comes down squarely against them. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- What is history but a fable agreed upon? In politics stupidity is not a handicap ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've just received my own postings 2Nicole and 2Joshua Tinnin... and read them. Hm... :( Sorry for my English ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
