Re: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 10:08:26AM -0700, Johnson David wrote: From: Marc Fonvieille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought you wanted to update the content... and if it's for newcomers marketing/os-comparison.html will be too much technical for them. Newcomers != technically illiterate It's your definition of newcomer, it's now obvious there are many sort of newcomer. Just have a look at freebsd-questions@ for example. If it's a straight comparison, then it needs to have technical information. Imagine taking a Honda Civic brochure and a Toyota Corolla brochure, removing all technical facts such as horsepower and mileage, and then comparing them only on the marketing verbiage. You cannot do it and have it makes sense. Hmm, well do you really think the girl next door cares about the torque of her car? The only thing most of people look at are the car look, the price, how many oil it eats, the size... These things are not technical, but understandable by everyone, the same things are developed in ads. Most of people do not understand what is the horsepower, they will just note that one number is bigger than another etc., but since most of time the size (or type) of the car (it's the case in Europe, I dunno in US) is proportional to the horsepower... Marketing to newcomers doesn't mean hiding away the technical details. That's what the EZLinux distros do, and we're better than that. Don't hide the gnarly greasy details. If they scare away a few newbies, they wouldn't have been happy here anyway. But those that they don't scare away should be welcomed. So according to you, newbies and people totally OS ignorant do not have to use FreeBSD :) To sum up, there must exist many advocacy papers: 1st: a general paper (single sheet should be perfect, too much information kill the information) aimed at general audience 2nd: a more technical paper for people with more background looking for more details. Perhaps the OS comparaison can be (a part of) the 2nd paper. One must decide what is the audience of a paper before writting it. In all cases, the most important thing of a paper is not to be a flood of informations but something that gives the reader (both OS expert and ignorant persons) the will to install and give a try to FreeBSD. Back to the http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html document, I'm waiting for updates via PRs and I will take care of the integration of changes (of course if there are correct, etc.). Marc pgp66K1nWBe15.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
I totally agree. We should not remove all the technical data. But there should be more literature to attract different types of individuals. Some users are driven by looks, usability, simplicity/complexity, etc. Thats why brochures for Honda / Toyota (just to follow the same analogy) come in different size and shapes. Shome brochures display what the car could look like, other display technical data, and other simple pose a life style that lures in people. From: Marc Fonvieille [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I thought you wanted to update the content... and if it's for newcomers marketing/os-comparison.html will be too much technical for them. Newcomers != technically illiterate If it's a straight comparison, then it needs to have technical information. Imagine taking a Honda Civic brochure and a Toyota Corolla brochure, removing all technical facts such as horsepower and mileage, and then comparing them only on the marketing verbiage. You cannot do it and have it makes sense. Marketing to newcomers doesn't mean hiding away the technical details. That's what the EZLinux distros do, and we're better than that. Don't hide the gnarly greasy details. If they scare away a few newbies, they wouldn't have been happy here anyway. But those that they don't scare away should be welcomed. David ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
Hello! We've all tried advocating FreeBSD by showing our friends the infamous http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html comparison. But despite its excellent, it has lost its integrity because its age. Many things have changed since then, and on behalf of all those who enjoy advocating FreeBSD: It's time we bring the truth out. What do you all say? Instead of bugging Mr Murray Stokely about updating it, why don't we just update it in this thread? If everybody could contribute their bit of truth, I am willing to compile it into a nicely written (and designed*) sequence of TXT, HTML and PDF and post it back here. It is very important to get this situation straight. So we all know where we stand. I have put an easier version of the comparison up at: http://www.home.no/hedhnta/versus.txt So please post corrections referring to each paragraph. It would also be nice to include Mac OS X in this comparison. * In line with: http://identity.berkeley.edu/downloads/ucb_design_style.pdf Thank you all! Now let's get down to work! -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 09:23:49AM -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: Hello! We've all tried advocating FreeBSD by showing our friends the infamous http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html comparison. But despite its excellent, it has lost its integrity because its age. Many things have changed since then, and on behalf of all those who enjoy advocating FreeBSD: It's time we bring the truth out. What do you all say? Instead of bugging Mr Murray Stokely about updating it, why don't we just update it in this thread? If everybody could contribute their bit of truth, I am willing to compile it into a nicely written (and designed*) sequence of TXT, HTML and PDF and post it back here. It is very important to get this situation straight. So we all know where we stand. [...] http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html Please start from the related sgml file, i.e. diff via PRs would be appreciated. Once the final version will be complete, we will look to a LaTeX conversion (prefered way) and/or to some open DTP format. Marc PS: Please do not crosspost to questions@ pgpVDmT5bGLh5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
- Original Message - From: Marc Fonvieille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:09:13 +0200 On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 09:23:49AM -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: Hello! We've all tried advocating FreeBSD by showing our friends the infamous http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/bsd_flier.html comparison. But despite its excellent, it has lost its integrity because its age. Many things have changed since then, and on behalf of all those who enjoy advocating FreeBSD: It's time we bring the truth out. What do you all say? Instead of bugging Mr Murray Stokely about updating it, why don't we just update it in this thread? If everybody could contribute their bit of truth, I am willing to compile it into a nicely written (and designed*) sequence of TXT, HTML and PDF and post it back here. It is very important to get this situation straight. So we all know where we stand. [...] http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html Please start from the related sgml file, i.e. diff via PRs would be appreciated. Once the final version will be complete, we will look to a LaTeX conversion (prefered way) and/or to some open DTP format. Marc PS: Please do not crosspost to questions@ I had no idea that existed. Thanks. I can handle a LaTeX conversion, or whatever you need. My job is just to make it look good, and maybe set a new standard in FreeBSD promotional material. Remember we should be addressing newcomers with this, not developers who got no taste for design. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Let's update FreeBSD vs Linux vs Windows XP
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 07:16:43AM -0500, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: I had no idea that existed. Thanks. I can handle a LaTeX conversion, or whatever you need. My job is just to make it look good, and maybe set a new standard in FreeBSD promotional material. There are some things already available: A one sheet flyer: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/flyer/ and translated in various language: German, French, Russian, Spanish, etc. Slides for advocacy presentations: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/slides/ Remember we should be addressing newcomers with this, not developers who got no taste for design. I thought you wanted to update the content... and if it's for newcomers marketing/os-comparison.html will be too much technical for them. Marc pgpXlYs3eK4nZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
