Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
> So far i have only seen complaints from you and no actual contribution > to the discussion and ideas. If you want to talk along, please consider > thinking what can be done and what looks great instead of just > complaining. So far? You seem very impatient. The day I show you how my passion for FreeBSD looks, you'll be amazed. Whether you believe or doubt that, drop your claim. > We need a simple site that does what it needs to do; we do not have to > be a big player for that. Please keep your head on your shoulders; it's > currently flying away from you. We need a new site. FreeBSD is a big player. FreeBSD is the world's most respected Open Source operating system. Why are you trying to act smart? By stomping on my head? > Life isn't about winning competition's. The contributors to FreeBSD > think it's just a way of life to help eachother instead of winning etc. > Other operating systems might have that opinion but i personally think > we are just a happy camp of users who are willing to create a great > product. So my advise would actually be ; bring your ideas so we can > think with all of us (with usefull feedback instead of rants!) how we > want to have the new freebsd site. All I'm saying is that there's currently a logo competition. There should also be a website competition. -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no Composer @ http://www.zoukclub.com.my -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: [30-05-05] Layout update
From: John Jawed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I've tried to amend to the best of my ability the resizing issues > mentioned earlier. I think, if you do not know much about CSS > layouts, that you should expect some type of distortion at some > unrealistically small resolutions (less than 800x600). I don't think less than 800x600 is unrealistically small. I have a 21" CRT with 1600x1200, and I routinely have browser windows with widths less than 800. Why? So that I can have two windows side by side on my screen. Add in room for the window borders and scroll bars, you're significantly less than 800 width. For this reason I recommend a minimum width of no more than 750. Actually, the smaller the minimum you can get the better. David ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:10:23PM +0800 I heard the voice of Erich Dollansky, and lo! it spake thus: > > I would like to have bigger characters. They become pretty small on > a 1280*768 with only 10". > > Do not use px for the character size, use pt and you get the same > character size independent of the screen resolution. Well, this is one of those ongoing eternal flamewars, now isn't it? :p px is better than pt on screen, because pt is interpreted differently on some platforms. I'm on the side of "don't use absolute units" myself. I *KNOW* how big I want my fonts to be, which is why I have my browser set like I do. That doesn't make it right for YOU. Size relative, so your headers are a bit bigger, your asides a bit smaller, etc. Don't try and tell me what size I want my fonts. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
On 30 May 2005 at 8:41, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: > > Again, all feedback is appreciated and looked forward to. > > > > http://www.johnjawed.com/freebsd-redesign/30-05-2005/ John: As I warned, please ignore the flamers and trolls. Keep going. > You're wasting your time, the webdesign contest hasn't started yet. > > Your design is very clear and mature, however it doesn't give the > project the corporate feel that it requires to sustain among the big > players. > > Don't give away your ideas this early :) > Make them better, and use them to win that competition! -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
On 2005-05-30 08:41, Fafa Hafiz Krantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: "John Jawed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://www.johnjawed.com/freebsd-redesign/30-05-2005/ > > You're wasting your time, the webdesign contest hasn't started yet. > > Your design is very clear and mature, however it doesn't give the project > the corporate feel that it requires to sustain among the big players. > > Don't give away your ideas this early :) > Make them better, and use them to win that competition! Sorry, but no. - There is no "website design competition". This means that John (like everyone else) is free to spend his time any way he pleases. His design is actually rather lightweight and cool (apart from minor column size problems and font sizes), so I see no reason to avoid showing it around. - It makes no sense to "keep stuff to yourself", if you're making it in the first place in order to give it to the FreeBSD project. I say "John keep the good work up" and I'm sure he has already contacted all the right people who are not working in Perforce towards the same goal :-) ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
On Mon, May 30, 2005 15:41, Fafa Hafiz Krantz said: Hi Fafa! > You're wasting your time, the webdesign contest hasn't started yet. > So? So far i have only seen complaints from you and no actual contribution to the discussion and ideas. If you want to talk along, please consider thinking what can be done and what looks great instead of just complaining. > Your design is very clear and mature, however it doesn't give the > project > the corporate feel that it requires to sustain among the big players. We need a simple site that does what it needs to do; we do not have to be a big player for that. Please keep your head on your shoulders; it's currently flying away from you. > Don't give away your ideas this early :) > Make them better, and use them to win that competition! Life isn't about winning competition's. The contributors to FreeBSD think it's just a way of life to help eachother instead of winning etc. Other operating systems might have that opinion but i personally think we are just a happy camp of users who are willing to create a great product. So my advise would actually be ; bring your ideas so we can think with all of us (with usefull feedback instead of rants!) how we want to have the new freebsd site. > > -- > > Fafa Hafiz Krantz > Research Designer @ http://www.home.no/barbershop > Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reporter DSINET ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] Founder Tienervaders ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeBSD DocTeam & SecTeam ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
- Original Message - From: "John Jawed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [30-05-05] Layout update Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:49:40 -0700 > > I've tried to amend to the best of my ability the resizing issues mentioned > earlier. I think, if you do not know much about CSS layouts, that you should > expect some type of distortion at some unrealistically small resolutions > (less than 800x600). > > CSS layouts are not suitable for columns, they are built to be fluid > layouts. Fluid != table/column based layout, so resizing the window at small > resolutions will get you wierd results. I was able to resize rather small > before I started to see any distortion. > > Hopefully the next update will include my take on the current footer. > > Again, all feedback is appreciated and looked forward to. > > http://www.johnjawed.com/freebsd-redesign/30-05-2005/ > > Regards > ___ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" You're wasting your time, the webdesign contest hasn't started yet. Your design is very clear and mature, however it doesn't give the project the corporate feel that it requires to sustain among the big players. Don't give away your ideas this early :) Make them better, and use them to win that competition! -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.home.no/barbershop Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
Erich Dollansky wrote: Hi, John Jawed wrote: I've tried to amend to the best of my ability the resizing issues mentioned earlier. I think, if you do not know much about CSS layouts, that you should expect some type of distortion at some unrealistically small resolutions (less than 800x600). Try to use a fixed width for the left and right columns. I beg to differ, use fixed size for the middle column instead and let the right side column get whatever is left over. The problem on my screen is that the right side column is way to wide and squeezes the middle column into a thin stripe of text, basically unreadable. Believe it or not, but the most common resolution today is still 800x600. And, even with a 19" screen and 1280x1024, I *never* use my browser full-screen, I keep it at around half the screen size, and I basically refuse to use websites that does not scale well to this size. And I know Im not the only one. Designing webpages for big screens with high resolutions is just bad practice, imho! -- R ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [30-05-05] Layout update
Hi, John Jawed wrote: I've tried to amend to the best of my ability the resizing issues mentioned earlier. I think, if you do not know much about CSS layouts, that you should expect some type of distortion at some unrealistically small resolutions (less than 800x600). Try to use a fixed width for the left and right columns. CSS layouts are not suitable for columns, they are built to be fluid It gets tricky. Again, all feedback is appreciated and looked forward to. I would like to have bigger characters. They become pretty small on a 1280*768 with only 10". Do not use px for the character size, use pt and you get the same character size independent of the screen resolution. I also use mm for the unit. This is the same story. No matter what resolution the screen has, 10mm are 10 mm. Erich ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
