Re: Bind within src-contrib
This looks and sounds like a question, so I've changed the cc: appropriately... if you reply, make sure and remove "advocacy" in the event it appears Frank Laszlo wrote: Joshua Bell wrote: Hi, I was attempting to build a minimal supfile, when I noticed that bind was included within contrib. This to me seems like something that should be included within the ports tree, or atleast be included in a portion of the tree with less crucial software. "Less crucial" being what, exactly --- the docs or manpages? Certainly wouldn't move to games, now would it? ;-) I personally do not see a reason for this, but please enlighten me on why this is done. -Josh How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system. Second that. In my eXPerience, the lack of these tools on another well-known OS is just reason++ not to use it if at all possible Now, I'm no "hat", nor even a committer, just a user of the OS, so include standard disclaimer, etc., but my take is: The "reason for this" is because we want FreeBSD to be able to create a working server "out of the box". So, we have ftpd, named, Sendmail, all of the "small servers" running out of inetd... possibly an interesting read would be the history of why there's no "stock" httpd or dhcpd--- I would imagine that Apache's established reputation had something to do with it in httpd's case, or maybe its portability or outstanding flexibility, but can't even begin to really know anything about that from personal experience. I suppose it's notated in the mail archives or the CVS repo somewhere And, *all* the stuff under src/contrib comes from "outside", so to speak. So, none of it "belongs" in FreeBSD, per se. But it's imported especially for use in FreeBSD. In that line of thought, I don't suppose we really *need* bzip2, either --- we could always just use compress(1). But, if we remove BIND, needed to run a nameserver, shouldn't we take out Sendmail, too, as it's needed to run a mailserver (Out of the box, that is...). Better yet, we could strip it down to just a kernel, and just let everyone install their own tools, like from GNU, or wherever Wait! That's already been done ... :D HTH, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Bind within src-contrib
Joshua Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was attempting to build a minimal supfile, when I noticed that > bind was included within contrib. This to me seems like something > that should be included within the ports tree, or atleast be > included in a portion of the tree with less crucial software. BIND has been a part of BSD since its inception (the B in BIND and BSD both stand for Berkeley), and parts of it are essential to the system. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Bind within src-contrib
Johnson David wrote: From: Frank Laszlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system. Are these utilities used anywhere else in FreeBSD, such as the startup scripts? Are they something required by the vast majority of users? If not, I wouldn't consider them "essential". Note. I said "personally." I use these tools to debug network configuration issues which are essential for me to even install ports in most cases. __ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Bind within src-contrib
From: Frank Laszlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I > personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system. Are these utilities used anywhere else in FreeBSD, such as the startup scripts? Are they something required by the vast majority of users? If not, I wouldn't consider them "essential". That doesn't mean I would move them to ports, as there's a lot of other non-essential software in the base system (biff, indent, etc.). David ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Bind within src-contrib
Joshua Bell wrote: Hi, I was attempting to build a minimal supfile, when I noticed that bind was included within contrib. This to me seems like something that should be included within the ports tree, or atleast be included in a portion of the tree with less crucial software. I personally do not see a reason for this, but please enlighten me on why this is done. -Josh How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system. __ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
