Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, David Wolfskill wrote:

It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional 
gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup 
were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.


In case it is needed, I do run a news server, and would be most willing to 
put a uni-directional posting filter onto that mailing list, so that mail 
gets there ... just let me know if this is what is decided / needed ...



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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04 Thread David Wolfskill
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:25:11AM +1100, John Marshall wrote:
> ...
> Thank you for your responses.  Jordan subsequently replied to my email
> and CC'd the FreeBSD Core Team.  Core has nominated philip@ to succeed
> jhk@ as moderator of the .announce newsgroup.
> 
> Philip intends to funnel messages from -announce@ into the .announce
> newsgroup.  I think that liaison between philip@ and postmaster@ on the
> mechanics of this process would be good.
> 
> Thank you for helping (re)establish an official presence for FreeBSD on
> USENET.

Glad to help; that's why I'm here.

I'm pretty sure Philip knows how to reach postmas...@.  :-}

Thanks again for taking the initiative to address the matter.

Peace,
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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04 Thread John Marshall
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, 14:46 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote:
> David Wolfskill  writes:
> > It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
> > gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
> > were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.
> 
> ...and that would be sufficient for -announce.

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your responses.  Jordan subsequently replied to my email
and CC'd the FreeBSD Core Team.  Core has nominated philip@ to succeed
jhk@ as moderator of the .announce newsgroup.

Philip intends to funnel messages from -announce@ into the .announce
newsgroup.  I think that liaison between philip@ and postmaster@ on the
mechanics of this process would be good.

Thank you for helping (re)establish an official presence for FreeBSD on
USENET.

-- 
John Marshall


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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
David Wolfskill  writes:
> But my recollection is that *bidirectional* gateways (news <=> mail) are
> rather difficult to "get right" and the consequences of misconfiguration
> tend toward "cascade failure."

They're not trivial to get right "from first principles", but they're
very common, and I'm sure someone who's done it before can lend a hand.

> It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
> gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
> were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.

...and that would be sufficient for -announce.

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Re: Future of comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce Newsgroup

2009-12-04 Thread David Wolfskill
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:41:56PM +1100, John Marshall wrote:
> ...
> I suggest that the FreeBSD Project:
>   1. Respond to the MVI proposing a new moderator for the newsgroup;
>   2. Arrange for the freebsd-announce mailing list to be gated to
>  the newsgroup (since that fits the newsgroup's charter).

I haven't paid attention to netnews in several years, so my perspective
may well be biased.

And I haven't actually paid attention to the issues involved in running
a news site for most of the last couple of decades.

But my recollection is that *bidirectional* gateways (news <=> mail) are
rather difficult to "get right" and the consequences of misconfiguration
tend toward "cascade failure."

It would, however, make sense from my perspective if a unidirectional
gateway were set up (mail => news -- note direction!), and the newsgroup
were to become merely a reflector of the mailing list.

In that scenario, it would not be possible to "post" directly the
newsgroup -- and I believe that would be appropriate.

> ...
> I am happy to help if necessary but somebody like the -announce mailing
> list moderator is probably more appropriate.  I have never done any
> mail-to-news stuff but I could learn.
> 
>  - I mailed jkh@ on 30-Nov and got no response.
>  - I mailed freebsd-www@  on 01-Dec and got no response.
> 

Thank you for your efforts so far.

Peace,
david   (postmas...@freebsd.org hat lying about nearby)
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