Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
Mr. Jim Vaglia wrote: What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for spreading the word among the public if all people with physical disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. (That's of course doing a standard install off the cdrom or floppy net; if you happen to be a Unix expert there are ways of installing using command line only, eg installing a spare disk on a PC, installing software, moving disk to new PC: all of that could be done in single line mode commands, possibly with one of those Ascii to braille 40 char. adapters a friend told me of 2 decades back, so might be possible but tricky. Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer http://www.netbsd.org NetBSD has less ported packages than FreeBSD but otherwise is similar. (well, more similar than eg Linux or Microsoft :-) Apart from what Salvatore Albanese just mentioned, (hope you got it, not cc'd) ... It's also possible freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org might have heard of other hardware. Then again, as NetBSD is more hardware oriented, those people may have heard of more controllable devices. PS for anyone wondering, No, I'm no troll for NetBSD, nearly all my many machines are FreeBSD, but NetBSD does have some advantages in some places. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
On 25 Jan 2007 at 13:56, Julian H. Stacey wrote: Mr. Jim Vaglia wrote: What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for spreading the word among the public if all people with physical disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. PC-BSD, which installs FreeBSD, has a graphical installer. -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with screen readers. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
Reference: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:35:25 +0100 Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. On the contrary, FreeBSD does not have and has never had a graphical installer. Sysinstall is text-based and is rumored to work well with screen readers. Depends what one means understand by graphics. There was previous discussuion on topic of FreeBSD installer use by the blind many years back: a short while after Jordan gave us the nice colourful boxed (what I call graphical) installer, a blind person wrote in asked if there was a plain text installer, his answer was no, get someone else to install. It'll be in webed mail archives. As the BSD installer is not a pixel X11 Xwindows graphics installer, just ascii strings with escape sequences for pcterm/ vt100 whatever, maybe modern blind equipment might cope with (ie ignore) sequences . The cursor does rather jump around during the install, whereas a clasical command line tool does not, so it may be harder to retain everything in human memory though. A near blind German girl (Linux user I think) told me in English long ago: - Braile transducers for the blind cost a fortune, - Did limited mapping of 1 line of 40 chars to a pixel map for fingers. - Braille varies completely between countries (ie far more than just umlauts), so hinders import competition to force price down, so even if Jim Vaglia has a device that copes, it may not be usable for others. A case report from Jim would be interesting, if he can try it, report back, FreeBSD could document it to web site for next enquirer. Jim, if no luck with the FreeBSD installer, try NetNSD installer. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
- Original Message - From: Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mr. Jim Vaglia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:56 AM Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? Mr. Jim Vaglia wrote: What assistive technology if any will run on FreeBSD? Is this what Mac and Voice Over is based on? Many blind people are mostlikely not interested in paying high cost of Windows Vista. Thanks for spreading the word among the public if all people with physical disabilities and impairments are able to use FreeBSD? Totally, blind from birth, totally in the *dark* on this OS. LOL One problem: (last I knew), FreeBSD only has a graphical installer, not Ascii text mode. So you might need somoene else to install it for you. (That's of course doing a standard install off the cdrom or floppy net; if you happen to be a Unix expert there are ways of installing using command line only, eg installing a spare disk on a PC, installing software, moving disk to new PC: all of that could be done in single line mode commands, possibly with one of those Ascii to braille 40 char. adapters a friend told me of 2 decades back, so might be possible but tricky. Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer http://www.netbsd.org NetBSD has less ported packages than FreeBSD but otherwise is similar. (well, more similar than eg Linux or Microsoft :-) Apart from what Salvatore Albanese just mentioned, (hope you got it, not cc'd) ... It's also possible freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org might have heard of other hardware. Then again, as NetBSD is more hardware oriented, those people may have heard of more controllable devices. PS for anyone wondering, No, I'm no troll for NetBSD, nearly all my many machines are FreeBSD, but NetBSD does have some advantages in some places. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. http://berklix.org/free-software Didn't receive his responce as not subscribed to the list. While the command line information, was informative, need info on what graphics assistive technology, may run in the free BSDenvironment, however at least developers are aware of the issue? ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD?
Thanks, my main reason for inquiring are for pc and Apple manufactures who may be thinking of offering free bsd to Vista and Leppard as a alternative, not really interested in messing up my current configurations unless computer manufactures force a install download of free bsd then will have no choice but to learn the OS. Besides installing I am intrested in the use of talking software in tasks such as managing files on the harddrive with free BSD, reading writing mail, instant messages, playing audio files over the net, the use of these applications under free BSD with assistive technology? - Original Message - From: Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Julian H. Stacey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mr. Jim Vaglia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Vision impaired software on FreeBSD? Last I heard NetBSD still offers a line mode installer Sorry, its installer (sysinst) also uses a curses-based menu system. Last I heard OpenBSD still offers a line mode installer :) Also, I don't know if it exists, but maybe bsdinstaller.org can quickly provide a simple text-based (no curses) front-end to its BSD Installer. Jeremy C. Reed ___ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
