Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-28 Thread John Baldwin
On Friday 25 November 2005 08:57 am, Rostislav Krasny wrote:
  FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release
  notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the
  x86 platform.

 16-bit 8086, 8088, 80186 and 80286 are x86 processors too. 80386 was
 the first 32-bit processor from Intel, and it had many other
 significant architectural changes. I believe the i386 architecture
 name is righteous for 80386 successors, even without the 80386
 particular support. That's just my IMHO.

Agreed, especially when you consider the amd64 processors which are also known 
as x86-64 and thus 'x86'.  In fact, on NetBSD, they put code shared between 
NetBSD/i386 and NetBSD/x86-64 in sys/arch/x86, and FreeBSD may someday do the 
same with a sys/x86 containing files shared between sys/i386 and sys/amd64 
(but don't hold your breath. :) )

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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-25 Thread Rostislav Krasny
 FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release
 notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the
 x86 platform.

16-bit 8086, 8088, 80186 and 80286 are x86 processors too. 80386 was
the first 32-bit processor from Intel, and it had many other
significant architectural changes. I believe the i386 architecture
name is righteous for 80386 successors, even without the 80386
particular support. That's just my IMHO.
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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-24 Thread Astrodog
On 11/23/05, Frank J. Laszlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Christer Hermansson wrote:

  Hi.
 
  FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release
  notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the
  x86 platform.
 
 
 Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386?
 Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a few. Not very
 important, but a huge hastle to switch over.

 -Frank




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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-24 Thread Frank J. Laszlo

Astrodog wrote:


On 11/23/05, Frank J. Laszlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Christer Hermansson wrote:

   


Hi.

FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release
notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the
x86 platform.


 


Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386?
Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a few. Not very
important, but a huge hastle to switch over.

-Frank

   





Mmm. Thanksgiving Day Bikesheds, thy name is Chris.
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Not sure if that was directed at me, I wasnt trying to be a dick about 
it, and I tried not to come across like that.


Everyone have a safe and happy holiday season, save some pie for me!

Regards,
   Frank
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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-24 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Christer Hermansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a 
 i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors.

NetBSD and OpenBSD also have an m68k CPU architecture that fails
to support the original MC68000.

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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-24 Thread Christer Hermansson

Christer Hermansson wrote:


Hi.

FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release 
notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the 
x86 platform.


Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a 
i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors.


http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html#KERNEL
Support for 80386 processors (the I386_CPU kernel configuration 
option) has been removed. Users running this class of CPU should use 
FreeBSD 5./X/ or earlier.



Christer Hermansson

It's a lot of names around us, not only in the computer world, that has 
become less suitable during the time because of progress and other 
things, but still is in use because of different factors.


I missed to write in my first mail that I also have the feeling (maybe 
I'm wrong) that x86 is more recognized / common in the media nowadays.


However in this case maybe it's best to keep i386 because a lot of 
things depends on this name and it would be a lot of work/problems to 
change it.


This was just one thought I had but it seems to be a bad one.

Best regards Christer Hermansson

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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-24 Thread Frank J. Laszlo

Christer Hermansson wrote:


Christer Hermansson wrote:


Hi.

FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release 
notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the 
x86 platform.


Not very important issue for me but it feels little strange to have a 
i386 platform that don't support/work on i386 processors.


http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.0R/relnotes-i386.html#KERNEL
Support for 80386 processors (the I386_CPU kernel configuration 
option) has been removed. Users running this class of CPU should use 
FreeBSD 5./X/ or earlier.



Christer Hermansson

It's a lot of names around us, not only in the computer world, that 
has become less suitable during the time because of progress and other 
things, but still is in use because of different factors.


I missed to write in my first mail that I also have the feeling (maybe 
I'm wrong) that x86 is more recognized / common in the media nowadays.


However in this case maybe it's best to keep i386 because a lot of 
things depends on this name and it would be a lot of work/problems to 
change it.


This was just one thought I had but it seems to be a bad one.

Best regards Christer Hermansson

I totally agree with you, x86 is a much more recognized representation. 
I'd just hate to be the one having to do all the code modifications to 
Make it Work(tm)


find /usr/src /usr/ports -type f | xargs sed -i '.bak' s/i386/x86/g

Only in a perfect world right? :)

Regards,
   Frank
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Re: i386 do not support i386

2005-11-23 Thread Frank J. Laszlo

Christer Hermansson wrote:


Hi.

FreeBSD 6.0R don't support 386 processors according to the release 
notes, maybe it's time to change the name of the i386 platform to the 
x86 platform.



Do you realize how many things depend on the platform name being i386? 
Just thinking of ports alone, I cound probably name a few. Not very 
important, but a huge hastle to switch over.


-Frank

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