Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying

VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-02 Thread Hartmann, O.
I discover that when running Windows 7 in a VirtualBox On FreeBSD 10 (r238968: Wed Aug 1 14:26:40 CEST 2012), VBox is most recent from the ports, that the VirtualBox eats up 100% CPU time and freezes Windows 7 for more than a minute. For a minute or so, I can work, then, the freeze occurs again.

Re: ttydev_cdevsw has no d_purge

2012-08-02 Thread Ed Schouten
2012/8/2 Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org: I think that the /dev/entries can (and SHOULD) go away when the hardware goes away and even be re-used. But here's the point. TTYs are used in a different way than other device nodes. Regular device nodes are simply opened by a set of independent

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Yep. In 18+ years of being subscribed to various freebsd lists, Arnaud has the honor of being only the 2nd person to earn a killfile entry. He's now sitting next to Jesus Monroy, Jr. it is not a proud from you to talk about who you are blocking.

Re: ttydev_cdevsw has no d_purge

2012-08-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message cajoyfbbbskrbxjkzdv-jghi4vjgw0s0n2dgvzgm5_odwcy6...@mail.gmail.com , Ed Schouten writes: 2012/8/2 Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org: TTYs are used *two* ways: As terminals and as comms to the real world. If a terminal-tty disappears, it should be handled like a HUP would be,

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking anymore because year after year my requests were met with any of: indifference, hostility, shrugged

Re: On cooperative work

2012-08-02 Thread deeptech71
Has anyone, ever, proposed, thought about, or used a hierarchical feedback model, where conference participants are grouped into some tree, where one experienced (or trusted) person in a group would answer simple questions (coming from other members of the group), and forward advanced

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Scott Long
On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for remote people to

Warning: ifaddr refcount use patch (svn commit: r194760 - in head/sys: contrib/rdma net net80211 netinet netinet6 netipx (fwd))

2012-08-02 Thread suraj sandhu
Hi Robert, I am using Freebsd 8.2 and facing the Use-after-free issue because of the possible reference release on ifaddr without it being acquired. The issue is that ifa remains on the addr list of ifp but it is already free which leads to the panic in the code trying to traverse through the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. Yes I do! (So there) He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Scott Long wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: Doug makes some good points. No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory where none of that is warranted. I used to run the devsummits, and we did

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:54, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. I don't bother asking anymore because year after year my requests were met with

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out of school. But the fact that remote participation actually was provided for the right people, even though I was told

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't tell people about isn't really any better than not providing it at all. It's not widely advertised, because

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:13, David Chisnall wrote: On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't tell people about isn't really any better than not providing it

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:34, Doug Barton wrote: BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. Sorry, this agenda makes it easier to see the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:28, Doug Barton wrote: Welcome to the 21st Century. :) There are widely available audio and video conferencing solutions that easily scale into the thousands of users, at minimal cost. Yes, It takes effort. I get that. I've been part of the effort to provide remote

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 2, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Doug Barton wrote: Those all sound like nice steps forward, thank you for pointing them out. Nothing would make me happier than to be proven wrong in this area. What would be nice I think would be if these steps were formalized, and shared more openly. Having

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Davide Italiano
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao atti...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe lacom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao atti...@freebsd.org

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Gary Palmer
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 09:46:42AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: but there is certainly no active attempt to exclude people who can't attend. ... and here is where I need to push back. No active attempt to exclude people is not the same thing as actively encouraging remote participation. It's

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, August 02, 2012 12:30:16 am Doug Barton wrote: On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:37, David Chisnall wrote: Thank you for volunteering to organise this. It's good to see people with both the motivation and experience required to do something well actively contributing to the project. Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:40, Warner Losh wrote: One thing to remember about the IETF. There's many vendors that devote significant resources to the IETF. While I was at Cisco, for example, I know that we provided audio and video bridges to IEFT meetings to facilitate remote attendance at the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:39, John Baldwin wrote: I find this a bit ironic from you given that I've met you in person at USENIX ATC which is an order of magnitude more expensive than BSDCan (and in fact, one of the reasons the US-based BSDCon died and was effectively supplanted by BSDCan was that

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Doug Barton wrote: Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected core team member. FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Our DevSummits are not run by a commercial organisation, they are run by volunteers. I am not being paid to organise the

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 11:12, David Chisnall wrote: FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Yeah, I get that. I've been around quite a bit longer than you have, in case you didn't notice. :) I understand what you're saying, it's going to take work to change this mindset, and to provide these resources. If you

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread David Chisnall
Thank you for your thoughtful reply, On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Doug Barton wrote: However, my point is that in spite of the fact that it's non-trivial, the mindset on this topic needs to change if the dev summits are going to continue to be significant focii of both work being done and

rtld dropping core on recent -current

2012-08-02 Thread Steve Kargl
% file /usr/local/bin/ppdpo /usr/local/bin/ppdpo: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, \ version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), FreeBSD-style,\ for FreeBSD 10.0 (115), stripped % ldd /usr/local/bin/ppdpo /usr/local/bin/ppdpo: /usr/local/bin/ppdpo: signal 11 %

possible je-malloc issue

2012-08-02 Thread Steve Kargl
Libc built today. Start X with fvwm window manager. Open xterm and su to root. 1. Use nedit to edit a file and close. fvwm drops core. If fvwm does not drop core repeat 1 until she does. (gdb) bt #0 0x4841e294 in __jemalloc_arena_mapbits_get (chunk=0x800, pageind=245) at

Re: possible je-malloc issue

2012-08-02 Thread Jason Evans
On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: Libc built today. Start X with fvwm window manager. Open xterm and su to root. 1. Use nedit to edit a file and close. fvwm drops core. If fvwm does not drop core repeat 1 until she does. (gdb) bt #0 0x4841e294 in

Re: possible je-malloc issue

2012-08-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:21:20PM -0700, Jason Evans wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: (gdb) print *ptr Attempt to dereference a generic pointer. (gdb) up 1 #5 0x48164b7d in XFree (data=0x80f58e0) at XlibInt.c:1701 1701XlibInt.c: No such file or directory.

Re: possible je-malloc issue

2012-08-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:36:35PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:21:20PM -0700, Jason Evans wrote: On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: (gdb) print *ptr Attempt to dereference a generic pointer. (gdb) up 1 #5 0x48164b7d in XFree (data=0x80f58e0) at

Re: ttydev_cdevsw has no d_purge

2012-08-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 8/2/12 4:23 AM, Ed Schouten wrote: 2012/8/2 Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org: I think that the /dev/entries can (and SHOULD) go away when the hardware goes away and even be re-used. But here's the point. TTYs are used in a different way than other device nodes. Regular device nodes are

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Julian Elischer
On 8/2/12 9:53 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out of school. But the fact that remote participation actually was provided for

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 8/2/12 9:53 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: The Watson/Losh connection worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out

Re: rtld dropping core on recent -current

2012-08-02 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:39:54 -0700 Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: % file /usr/local/bin/ppdpo /usr/local/bin/ppdpo: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, \ version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), FreeBSD-style,\ for FreeBSD 10.0 (115),

Re: rtld dropping core on recent -current

2012-08-02 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 09:55:36PM -0400, Alexander Kabaev wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 14:39:54 -0700 Steve Kargl s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu wrote: % file /usr/local/bin/ppdpo /usr/local/bin/ppdpo: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, \ version 1 (FreeBSD), dynamically linked

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Hartmann, O. ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: I discover that when running Windows 7 in a VirtualBox On FreeBSD 10 (r238968: Wed Aug 1 14:26:40 CEST 2012), VBox is most recent from the ports, that the VirtualBox eats up 100% CPU time and freezes Windows 7 for

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-02 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Hartmann, O. ohart...@zedat.fu-berlin.de wrote: I discover that when running Windows 7 in a VirtualBox On FreeBSD 10 (r238968: Wed Aug 1 14:26:40 CEST 2012), VBox is most recent from the