Re: bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Kyle Evans
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:20 PM Graham Perrin wrote: > > On 19/02/2019 03:05, Kyle Evans wrote: > > I'd be interested in seeing what happens when you apply this diff: > > https://people.freebsd.org/~kevans/bectl-perf.diff > > > Thanks, I'll let you know. > > In the meantime: here are timings for

Re: bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Graham Perrin
On 19/02/2019 03:05, Kyle Evans wrote: I'd be interested in seeing what happens when you apply this diff: https://people.freebsd.org/~kevans/bectl-perf.diff Thanks, I'll let you know. In the meantime: here are timings for creating then activating a boot environment.

Re: bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Kyle Evans
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:34 PM Graham Perrin wrote: > > Preparing to update the OS, I created a new boot environment. Creation > took a long time, subsequent bectl commands are extraordinarily slow. > > Whilst composing this e-mail I'm awaiting completion of a simple list. > > Any ideas? > >

Re: bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Graham Perrin
On 19/02/2019 02:50, Adam wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:35 PM Graham Perrin > wrote: Preparing to update the OS, I created a new boot environment. Creation took a long time, subsequent bectl commands are extraordinarily slow. Whilst composing

Re: bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Adam
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:35 PM Graham Perrin wrote: > Preparing to update the OS, I created a new boot environment. Creation > took a long time, subsequent bectl commands are extraordinarily slow. > > Whilst composing this e-mail I'm awaiting completion of a simple list. > > Any ideas? > >

bectl slow

2019-02-18 Thread Graham Perrin
Preparing to update the OS, I created a new boot environment. Creation took a long time, subsequent bectl commands are extraordinarily slow. Whilst composing this e-mail I'm awaiting completion of a simple list. Any ideas? zpool status shows no problem. Last scrubbed 27th December, I'll begin

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Steve Kargl < s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things > > better is demoralizing and counter productive. > > > > You do

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < > > freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > > On 2/18/19

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Michael Gmelin
> On 18. Feb 2019, at 23:54, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things >> simply on the "5 year old" basis. > > IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Mark Linimon
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 08:50:27AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I think one serious problem here is the summary dismissal of things > simply on the "5 year old" basis. IIUC the graphics changes are being forced upon FreeBSD by external projects (mainly Linux-based) that are making huge

Re: poudriere: 12-STABLE install fails after r344230

2019-02-18 Thread O. Hartmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Am Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:06:54 +0100 "O. Hartmann" schrieb: > On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 19:07:53 +0100 > "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > Hello, > > > > after the bump of 12-STABE to 1200503 I'm

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Wojciech Puchar
motivated me to do this: 1) my observation that many developers at conferences and online were using macOS as their primary desktop environment.  when comparing this to the OpenBSD and Linux community I felt pretty embarrassed, but it did explain the stagnant nature of our graphics subsystem. 

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Pete Wright
On 2/17/19 6:48 PM, Ian Lepore wrote: That manpage you found online is in section 4x. It probably gets installed along with the xf86-input-evdev package. yes - unfortunately that seems to be the only form of man page that exists on the linux side as well.  did a quick search through the

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread A. Wilcox
On 02/18/19 10:50, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < >> freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: >>> On 2/18/19, Vladimir

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Pete Wright
On 2/18/19 8:50 AM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < I don't know. I think the fact that drm2 doesn't support anything newer than 5-year-old hardware is a pretty convincing evidence that the old way is broken and doesn't work. But it DOES work, I am

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Johannes Lundberg
On 2/18/19 3:12 PM, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: >>> On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:35:26AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:52 PM Steve Kargl < > s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to > > be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom > > kernel, the

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:58:14AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 08:50 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make > > > things > > > better is

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Ian Lepore
On Mon, 2019-02-18 at 08:50 -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make > > things > > better is demoralizing and counter productive. > > > > You do realize some of the emails

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:11:14AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > You do know these constant complaints about people trying to make things > better is demoralizing and counter productive. > You do realize some of the emails are from frustrated users who are trying to make FreeBSD (see for

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > > > > >> On

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 09:32:52AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > So to ditch our 5 years support model, kick the code out of the tree and > > make the users suffer? The support model is suppose to

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 04:56:57PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Sadly your execution on that seems to be missing the mark, > > telling people they have to go get a port now to get drm working > > because it could not

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 3:52 PM Steve Kargl < s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to > be no manual page. When I reboot a system with custom > kernel, the system is autoloading evdev.ko, uhid.ko, and > wmt.ko. I do not need nor what

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:12 AM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > > > >> On 2019-02-17

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > > > >> evdev.ko is a small

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 8:33 AM Rodney W. Grimes < freebsd-...@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > > >>

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Baptiste Daroussin
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 07:12:24AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > > >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > > On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > >> On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: > >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > >> evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events > >> like keyboard presses

Fwd: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Johannes Lundberg
Missed to include current@ Forwarded Message Subject:Re: What is evdev and autoloading? Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 12:02:50 + From: Johannes Lundberg To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org On 2/18/19 11:06 AM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: > On 2/18/19, Vladimir

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Niclas Zeising
On 2/18/19 12:06 PM, Stefan Blachmann wrote: On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: Anyone have insight into what evdev is? evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. And libinput

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Stefan Blachmann
On 2/18/19, Vladimir Kondratyev wrote: > On 2019-02-17 21:03, Steve Kargl wrote: >> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? > evdev.ko is a small in-kernel library that makes all your input events > like keyboard presses libinput-compatible. And libinput was created by the Freedesktop Wayland

Re: What is evdev and autoloading?

2019-02-18 Thread Mark Millard
On 2019-Feb-17, at 18:35, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 03:04:41PM -0800, Mark Millard wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2019-Feb-17, at 10:03, Steve Kargl >>> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone have insight into what evdev is? There appears to >>> be no manual page. When I reboot a system