Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-13 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, David Scheidt wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Kirk McKusick wrote: I would like to take a step back from the debate for a moment and ask the bigger question: How many real-world applications actually use the block device interface? I know of none whatsoever. All the

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-13 Thread Chuck Robey
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Scheidt writes: : It doesn't run on FreeBSD, but Sybase uses block devices for its dedicated : disk devices. There may be other RDBMSes that do this. EVERY RDBMS that I've ever seen or had to make work with my

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-12 Thread David Scheidt
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Kirk McKusick wrote: I would like to take a step back from the debate for a moment and ask the bigger question: How many real-world applications actually use the block device interface? I know of none whatsoever. All the filesystem utilities go out of their way to avoid

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-12 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Scheidt writes: : It doesn't run on FreeBSD, but Sybase uses block devices for its dedicated : disk devices. There may be other RDBMSes that do this. EVERY RDBMS that I've ever seen or had to make work with my drivers has been on the raw partition. This is

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-12 Thread Julian Elischer
If you are going to respond to this. do it to 'freebsd-arch' only I've redirected my resonse there.. don't respond to this one.. On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Kirk McKusick wrote: I would like to take a step back from the debate for a moment and ask the bigger question: How many real-world

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-12 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Sybase can use either block devices or raw disk. We run all our databases, Sybase, Oracle, etc. on raw disk. the database engineers here would kill me if i were to ask them to use a block device rather than raw disk. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-12 Thread Peter Wemm
Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Da vid Scheidt writes: : It doesn't run on FreeBSD, but Sybase uses block devices for its dedicated : disk devices. There may be other RDBMSes that do this. EVERY RDBMS that I've ever seen or had to make work with my drivers has been on

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Nate Williams
I Can't believe this email only produced TWO responses! I would have thought that this wouldhav brought out the chainsaws! Maybe no-one is listenning on 'arch' any more, or maybe 'arch' doesn't work? (the only responders got it via 'core') Interesting. It appears that somehow I got

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Oliver Fromme
Nate Williams wrote in list.freebsd-current: Interesting. It appears that somehow I got 'unsubscribed' from arch. Not sure why, but in May I was subscribed, but I'm no longer subscribed. Did everyone get unsubscribed when it went idle? FWIW, I got unsubscribed, too. While I were at

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
FWIW, I got unsubscribed, too. While I were at it, I sent a "which" command to the majordomo, and the result did not list me as a member of freebsd-announce and freebsd-security- notifications. When I tried to re-subscribe, it told me that I am already subscribed... Seems like

Majordomo problems (Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.)

1999-10-10 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Oct-11 08:35:41 +1000, Oliver Fromme wrote: Nate Williams wrote in list.freebsd-current: Interesting. It appears that somehow I got 'unsubscribed' from arch. Not sure why, but in May I was subscribed, but I'm no longer subscribed. Did everyone get unsubscribed when it went idle?

Re: Majordomo problems (Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.)

1999-10-10 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
send it to postmaster instead. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Oliver Fromme
Jonathan M. Bresler wrote in list.freebsd-current: FWIW, I got unsubscribed, too. While I were at it, I sent a "which" command to the majordomo, and the result did not list me as a member of freebsd-announce and freebsd-security- notifications. When I tried to re-subscribe, it told

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Jonathan M. Bresler
Here's the whole story: - I sent a "which" command from the newsgate account. - Got a response with about 30 lists to which that account is subscribed. - Compared those lists to the lists that the newsgate is prepared to handle (and to which it was once subscribed). -

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Archie Cobbs
Jonathan M. Bresler writes: Here's the whole story: - I sent a "which" command from the newsgate account. - Got a response with about 30 lists to which that account is subscribed. - Compared those lists to the lists that the newsgate is prepared to handle (and to

Re: The eventual fate of BLOCK devices.

1999-10-10 Thread Matthew Dillon
: 6/ It should be possible to make an overlay device (similar to the way : ccd works), that supplies buffered characteristics to a disk. This may : be a different minor number or a differnt major number.. but be a CHR : type device. : : This would involve needless