Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Benno Rice
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:46, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:32:51PM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: Agreed. There's an advantage there, but see also my reply to Juli about the use of machine to mean MACHINE_ARCH and the use of platform to mean MACHINE. This I don't find

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:56:59PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-28 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] You see how the current approach affects other architectures if you look at the diff for

Please don't define away DEBUGPRINTF and similar...

2003-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I am currently letting FlexeLint loose on the kernel again, and I have turned my attention to a new warning from it: _ return (err); ../../../dev/usb/usb_subr.c 604 Warning 548: else expected Initally I ignored these warnings because the couple of them which I

Re: net-snmp errors

2003-01-29 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 04:30:47PM -0600, Nick H. -- Technical Support Engineer wrote: Sorry about emailing both lists, as Im not sure which one this falls under. It's a current machine (5.0-CURRENT) and it's a problem with a port (net-snmp). Below is what happens: `VM_METER' undeclared

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:19:38PM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: The same happens in config(8) where we create a platform link in all cases, not just for powerpc and mips. Ok, the nice side to having platform/foo.h is that (to go back to the endian example) you can have machine/endian.h

Panic in softupdates

2003-01-29 Thread Ollivier Robert
Just got this panic under CURRENT: [... 21 frames after the panic removed ...] #22 0xc02494fc in softdep_disk_io_initiation (bp=0x100) at ../../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:3453 #23 0xc01df5ad in cluster_wbuild (vp=0xc2f457c4, size=16384, start_lbn=11, len=3) at buf.h:408 #24 0xc01d980c in

Re: Panic in softupdates

2003-01-29 Thread El Vampiro
OR Just got this panic under CURRENT: OR [... 21 frames after the panic removed ...] OR #22 0xc02494fc in softdep_disk_io_initiation (bp=0x100) OR at ../../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:3453 [ ...snip...] looks simulate to kern/42277 and kern/42235 -- VAMPIRO-RIPN http://vampiro.rootshell.ru To

Re: make buildworld failure

2003-01-29 Thread Jeff Utter
Yeah, that fixed the above mentioned problem.. however i'm running into a build problem about an hour later, related to telnet.. maybe it was fixed overnight in cvs, i'll see if it will build now. Let me know how it goes... I may wanna try that To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: make buildworld failure

2003-01-29 Thread leafy
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 06:16:04AM -0500, Jeff Utter wrote: Yeah, that fixed the above mentioned problem.. however i'm running into a build problem about an hour later, related to telnet.. maybe it was fixed overnight in cvs, i'll see if it will build now. I don't think so, I cvsupped about 30

Re: firewire hangs on Thinkpad

2003-01-29 Thread Andrea Campi
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:55:01AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: This sounds like it might be an interrupt storm. I'm not sure if the fwohci driver is failing to clear an interrupt source, or if the cardbus bridge is failing. Have you connected a fw device to the firewire card? I've been

Re: [5.0-RELEASE] uid option in ipfw

2003-01-29 Thread Maxim Konovalov
On 03:50+0300, Jan 28, 2003, Oleg Baranov wrote: It looks like firewall in 5.0-RELEASE doesn't respect uid option. I migrated from 4.7 where the following lines worked fine: allow tcp from me to any uid 500 setup allow udp from me to any uid 500 keep-state I couldn't get these lines

alpha tinderbox failure

2003-01-29 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

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2003-01-29 Thread Ralf Schumacher
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restore(8) triggers panic

2003-01-29 Thread Christian Weisgerber
I decided to dump, newfs -O2, and restore -r some filesystems on my -CURRENT/alpha box. restore reliably triggered a panic such as this: free inode /var/64 has 27384711479296 blocks bad block 1043841974, ino 64 pid 51 (restore), uid 0 inumber 64 on /var: bad block free inode /var/64 had

Re: firewire hangs on Thinkpad

2003-01-29 Thread Hidetoshi Shimokawa
At Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:49:51 +0100, Andrea Campi wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:55:01AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: This sounds like it might be an interrupt storm. I'm not sure if the fwohci driver is failing to clear an interrupt source, or if the cardbus bridge is failing. Have

trouble starting X, unresolved symbol

2003-01-29 Thread Kirk R. Wythers
I'm trying to get X up and going after upgrading 4.7 - 5.0. I have portupgraded XFree86-4 and wrapper. Here is the output from /var/log/XFree86.0.log: Symbol from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a is unresolved! Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting Any

Re: Please don't define away DEBUGPRINTF and similar...

2003-01-29 Thread John Polstra
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently letting FlexeLint loose on the kernel again, and I have turned my attention to a new warning from it: _ return (err); ../../../dev/usb/usb_subr.c 604 Warning 548:

sshd tunneling problems (5.0RELEASE)

2003-01-29 Thread Ivan Voras
ssh sshd normally work fine, but I cannot establish any tunnels (tried with multiple clients). Every time a tunnel is requested, sshd sends this message to syslog: Jan 29 11:37:08 kopirka sshd[3521]: error: getsockopt TCP_NODELAY: Connection reset by peer Since the same setup is working fine

PHP on 5.0RELEASE

2003-01-29 Thread Adam Bayless
I've got a big ugly PHP build on a brand new, otherwise clean 5.0 box that is dumping cores. It works great as an apache module, but the CLI always coredumps. Here's gdb's output: Core was generated by `php'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. Reading symbols from

Re: make buildworld failure

2003-01-29 Thread Nick H. -- Technical Support Engineer
Same problem here: cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/src/crypto/telnet/libtelnet/enc_des.c: In function `fb64_start': /usr/src/crypto/telnet/libtelnet/enc_des.c:214: warning: implicit declaration of function `des_new_random_key' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/secure/lib/libtelnet.

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread John Baldwin
On 29-Jan-2003 Benno Rice wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:46, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:32:51PM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: Agreed. There's an advantage there, but see also my reply to Juli about the use of machine to mean MACHINE_ARCH and the use of platform

Buildworld failure

2003-01-29 Thread Matt
Apologies if this comes through again after this. I sent it from a different account this afternoon and it doesn't appear to have got through so I'm sending it again. I get a different problem to the telnet buildworld failure: === lib/liby sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m

Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
Hi folks, Can anyone think of a good way to implement an installworld / installkernel seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current? What I'm looking for is a way for installworld and installkernel in the current source to look for some signature in the target filesystem that suggests

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 09:18:22PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Hi folks, Can anyone think of a good way to implement an installworld / installkernel seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current? What I'm looking for is a way for installworld and installkernel in the current source

Re: problem with X

2003-01-29 Thread Charlie ROOT
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, joseph wrote: Try a make build world and see if that version of libc_r works. It should fix the problem. joseph I tried that... now the error is: Symbol from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a is unresolved! This is getting old. any other ideas? thanks,

sparc64 tinderbox failure

2003-01-29 Thread Mike Barcroft
Tinderbox FAQ: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~mike/tinderbox.html -- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools

Re: problem with X

2003-01-29 Thread Alexander Pohoyda
Symbol from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a is unresolved! The same error was reported about a week ago on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. There was, however, no solution posted. You might try to contact the guy admin(at)antiv(dot)pe(dot)kr, maybe he has some update. Don't

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 07:19:38PM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: Or are you saying that you would prefer to change how the machine directive works in config(8)

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] On 29-Jan-2003 Benno Rice wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 18:46, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 05:32:51PM +1100, Benno Rice wrote: Agreed.

Re: add ext2fs to the module list in modules/Makefile

2003-01-29 Thread Enache Adrian
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:54:30PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:14:41PM +0200, Enache Adrian wrote: please add ext2fs to the modules list in src/sys/modules/Makefile. It is already there. :-) Just wrapped by WANT_EXT2FS_MODULE. So you need to add that to your

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:55:42AM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: What if an architecture doesn't have different platforms. Do we want to give a platform name that matches the architecture or do we make platform optional? I think I prefer it to be optional. This could mean we have a kernel

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] If we just make machine mean more of what it means now, then we're set. But pc98 needs to be dealt with. Maybe a summary of what's been discussed would be a

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 12:55:30PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] If we just make machine mean more of what it means now, then we're set. But pc98 needs to be

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 12:55:30PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 01:28:33PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: I thought the idea was to have machine be usable for platforms, so as to have the mapping machine-MACHINE. This makes the keyword unusable for handling the pc98 case. I guess I was confused (now you know who needs the summary

Is netstat börked?

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
ref5% netstat -na -p tcp ref5% dalek# netstat -an -p tcp dalek# Both times logged in via ssh, etc. -- Juli Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: BSDFlata -- IRC: juli on EFnet OpenDarwin, Mono, FreeBSD Developer ircd-hybrid Developer, EFnet addict FreeBSD on MIPS-Anything on FreeBSD To Unsubscribe:

Re: firewire hangs on Thinkpad

2003-01-29 Thread Terry Lambert
Andrea Campi wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:55:01AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: This sounds like it might be an interrupt storm. I'm not sure if the fwohci driver is failing to clear an interrupt source, or if the cardbus bridge is failing. Have you connected a fw device to the

Re: Is netstat börked?

2003-01-29 Thread Andre Guibert de Bruet
Works here. largo# netstat -an -p tcp Active Internet connections (including servers) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address(state) tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.*LISTEN tcp6 0 0 *.22 *.*

Newfs börked: Kills make release in strange ways.

2003-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Newfs is börked right now (see below), and that kills make release in really strange ways. Considering I actually went as far as adding a make test target in src/sbin/newfs then it is a tiny bit disappointing that it was not used pre-commit. Poul-Henning bang# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/md0 dd:

Re: Newfs börked: Kills make release in strange ways.

2003-01-29 Thread Juli Mallett
* De: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-29 ] [ Subjecte: Newfs börked: Kills make release in strange ways. ] Newfs is börked right now (see below), and that kills make release in really strange ways. It looks like it was this typo, which didn't show up as being a

Re: problem with X

2003-01-29 Thread Eric Anholt
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:29, Charlie ROOT wrote: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, joseph wrote: Try a make build world and see if that version of libc_r works. It should fix the problem. joseph I tried that... now the error is: Symbol from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a is

Re: openpam error from sshd

2003-01-29 Thread Jacques A. Vidrine
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 06:17:37PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've just updated bento to 5.0, and sshd is now giving the following error every few seconds: auth.err bento sshd[55737]: in _openpam_check_error_code(): pam_sm_setcred():

Re: problem with X

2003-01-29 Thread Eric Anholt
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:17, Eric Anholt wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:29, Charlie ROOT wrote: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, joseph wrote: Try a make build world and see if that version of libc_r works. It should fix the problem. joseph I tried that... now the error is: Symbol from

alpha tinderbox failure

2003-01-29 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
-- Rebuilding the temporary build tree -- stage 1: bootstrap tools -- stage 2: cleaning up the object tree

Re: Panic#2 copying many files from UFS to UFS2 partition

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:49 PM -0500 1/28/03, Garance A Drosihn wrote: Hmm, well, I finally got my first actual system panic which wasn't obviously caused by my own screwing around. On the console I have: free inode /usr/cvs/net/64 had 0 blocks panic: Negative bio_offset (-19038208) on bio 0xce51be28 cpuid =

Re: dump -L and privilege

2003-01-29 Thread Kirk McKusick
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:08:09 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Current [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dump -L and privilege X-ASK-Info: Confirmed by User I'm trying to use dump -L option to dump with

ACPI recoving issues

2003-01-29 Thread Seele Varcuzzo
has anyone had ACPI recovering issues? anytime i go into a S3 suspend and try to recover, if im in x the screen tries to recover and sortof melts before it goes white with color vertical lines, and if im in the console i get no video, and it seems to go into a halt. is this a video

Re: ACPI recoving issues

2003-01-29 Thread Terry Lambert
Seele Varcuzzo wrote: has anyone had ACPI recovering issues? anytime i go into a S3 suspend and try to recover, if im in x the screen tries to recover and sortof melts before it goes white with color vertical lines, and if im in the console i get no video, and it seems to go into a halt. is

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:18 PM +0200 1/29/03, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Can anyone think of a good way to implement an installworld / installkernel seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current? What I'm looking for is a way for installworld and installkernel in the current source to look for some signature in

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 8:05 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003, Garance A Drosihn wrote: How about requiring the user to touch some file in / or /boot which indicates the branch-tag that's acceptable for installworlds? Then you just need to propagate the tag from the 'cvs co' stage to

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:13:22PM -0500, Mike Barcroft wrote: Benno Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:18, Juli Mallett wrote: * De: Juli Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ Data: 2003-01-28 ] [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms. ] In short,

Re: problem with X

2003-01-29 Thread Eric Anholt
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 19:18, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: Eric, I'll grep that for you as soon as I get to my office tomorrow. Should I try the add -fno-merge-constants to CFLAGS? Sure. What you add to CFLAGS in the environment won't show up in that grep, so I'll still be able to get the

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Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:46:47PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I would not introduce a platform/foo.h, but rather machine/${variant}/foo.h. The reason for this is that the /usr/include/platform directory is only needed on powerpc and mips, which seems to indicate that it should be under

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:21:39PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 8:05 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: uname(1) works on both 4.7 and 5.0. This seems like a trivial problem to fix. If you use something fixed like uname, then what does one do once they *DO* want to switch from

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Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Terry Lambert
David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:37:16PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: I've made a note that you don't think my way is optimal. I do, and that's that, at this point. No black magic, no convoluted config files, etc. Go deal with the ODE config and Mach's configuration files,

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Benno Rice
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 15:48, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:37:16PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: I've made a note that you don't think my way is optimal. I do, and that's that, at this point. No black magic, no convoluted config files, etc. Go deal with the ODE config and

Re: Patch to teach config(8) about platforms.

2003-01-29 Thread Benno Rice
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 15:57, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:46:47PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I would not introduce a platform/foo.h, but rather machine/${variant}/foo.h. The reason for this is that the /usr/include/platform directory is only needed on powerpc and

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 8:59 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:21:39PM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 8:05 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: uname(1) works on both 4.7 and 5.0. This seems like a trivial problem to fix. If you use something fixed like uname, then what does

Re: -current, IBM A30p 2 external FW-disks

2003-01-29 Thread Hidetoshi Shimokawa
Do you get timeout only for sbp0:0:0? Is the other drive still working? I have no problem with concurrent accesses with `iozone -s 102400m -r 1024k`. tty ad0 da0 da1 tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s 21 360 0.00 0 0.00

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 8:59 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: You don't need a special file to indicate what version of FreeBSD you have. uname -r tells you. Actually, one thing I don't know is how this would work when it comes to RELENG_4 vs RELENG_4_0 (since I don't run RELENG_4_0). What does uname show

Re: PHP on 5.0RELEASE

2003-01-29 Thread Odhiambo Washington
* Adam Bayless [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030129 21:11]: wrote: I've got a big ugly PHP build on a brand new, otherwise clean 5.0 box that is dumping cores. It works great as an apache module, but the CLI always coredumps. Here's gdb's output: Core was generated by `php'. cut Reading

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:47:13AM -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: At 8:59 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: You don't need a special file to indicate what version of FreeBSD you have. uname -r tells you. Actually, one thing I don't know is how this would work when it comes to

Re: Seat-belt for source upgrades from stable to current

2003-01-29 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 9:55 PM -0800 1/29/03, Steve Kargl wrote: I don't run 4.x, so I do know. ;-) I suspect on a 4.x system, you'll get 4.x- where is either FreeBSD or STABLE. To distinguish between 4.x and 5.x, all we need the first character. So, uname -r shows 4.7-FreeBSD for the security branch?

Re: PHP on 5.0RELEASE

2003-01-29 Thread Odhiambo Washington
* Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030130 08:56]: wrote: In the last episode (Jan 30), Odhiambo Washington said: * Adam Bayless [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030129 21:11]: wrote: I've got a big ugly PHP build on a brand new, otherwise clean 5.0 box that is dumping cores. It works great

Re: PHP on 5.0RELEASE

2003-01-29 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 30), Odhiambo Washington said: * Adam Bayless [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20030129 21:11]: wrote: I've got a big ugly PHP build on a brand new, otherwise clean 5.0 box that is dumping cores. It works great as an apache module, but the CLI always coredumps. Here's gdb's

Re: openpam error from sshd

2003-01-29 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Jacques A. Vidrine [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe I fixed this in revision 1.13 of pam_krb5.c. I'd be much obliged if you double-checked. Looks fine to me. Thanks! DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe