Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-27 Thread deeptec...@gmail.com
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: Fbsd8 wrote: 6. At the Complete screen when the reboot option is selected the cd/dvd drive should automatically open so the install media can be removed just like sysinstall does. If disc1.iso or

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-26 Thread Ivan Voras
On 23/09/2011 04:49, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 08:26:47AM + I heard the voice of Thomas Mueller, and lo! it spake thus: I don't think there is any particular advantage in aligning GPT partitions on 1 MB boundaries. No, but it's bg, and rund!

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:16:51 am Thomas Mueller wrote: Other issue is the 64 KB boot partition, which does not boot for me. There ought to be an option, or is there already, to omit the boot partition. Sysinstall had such an option, to not install the boot loader, since user could

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Thomas Mueller
More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function. How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3 (or RC1?) without wiping out BETA2 installation? For instance, user might have built many software applications from ports and not want to rebuild everything. Other

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function.  How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3 (or RC1?) without wiping out BETA2 installation? For instance, user might have built many software applications from ports and not want to rebuild everything. I

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Fbsd8
deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: Fbsd8 wrote: 6. At the Complete screen when the reboot option is selected the cd/dvd drive should automatically open so the install media can be removed just like sysinstall does. If disc1.iso or dvd.iso was installed to memstick and used to boot from to install the

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Chris Rees
On 25 September 2011 14:01, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: Fbsd8 wrote: 6. At the Complete screen when the reboot option is selected the cd/dvd drive should automatically open so the install media can be removed just like sysinstall does. If disc1.iso or

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Gary Jennejohn
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:30:49 -0500 Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com wrote: More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function.  How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3 (or RC1?) without wiping out BETA2 installation? For instance, user might

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Antonio Olivares wrote: More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function.  How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3 (or RC1?) without wiping out BETA2 installation? For instance, user might have built many software applications from ports

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2011, Antonio Olivares wrote: More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function.  How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3 (or RC1?) without wiping out BETA2 installation?

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Gary Jennejohn gljennj...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 07:30:49 -0500 Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com wrote: More concerns and questions onthe new bsdinstall: There is no upgrade function.  How will a user be able to upgrade to BETA3

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-25 Thread Miroslav Lachman
Chris Rees wrote: On 25 September 2011 14:01, Fbsd8fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: deeptec...@gmail.com wrote: Fbsd8 wrote: [...] the reboot starts. Don't let the reboot occur until the memstick is removed. Do NOT alter! More often than not, (1) you keep floppies, optical discs, and

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-23 Thread deeptec...@gmail.com
Fbsd8 wrote: 6. At the Complete screen when the reboot option is selected the cd/dvd drive should automatically open so the install media can be removed just like sysinstall does. If disc1.iso or dvd.iso was installed to memstick and used to boot from to install the system, then a message

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-22 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 08:26:47AM + I heard the voice of Thomas Mueller, and lo! it spake thus: I don't think there is any particular advantage in aligning GPT partitions on 1 MB boundaries. No, but it's bg, and rund! (http://dilbert.com/fast/1994-03-24/) It's a nice round

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
From Matthew D. Fuller fulle...@over-yonder.net: I've been meaning to mention this, but we really should document somewhere that it has a _MAXIMUM_ size. I setup a system a few weeks back with GPT, and figured I'd just make the first 'real' partition start at the 1 meg mark. And make

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-21 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 21 Sep 2011, Thomas Mueller wrote: From Matthew D. Fuller fulle...@over-yonder.net: I've been meaning to mention this, but we really should document somewhere that it has a _MAXIMUM_ size. I setup a system a few weeks back with GPT, and figured I'd just make the first 'real'

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-21 Thread Warren Block
Forgot to add this for reference earlier: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd758814%28v=sql.100%29.aspx Valid Starting Partition Offsets has some justification for the 1M offset. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-21 Thread Lucas Holt
1MB is a magic number. It works with advanced format disks, traditional disks, some odd SSD and most raid configurations. Lucas Holt On Sep 21, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: From Matthew D. Fuller fulle...@over-yonder.net: I've been meaning to mention

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-20 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2011-Sep-19 13:25:27 +0100, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: I seem to remember (perhaps incorrectly) there was a discussion about bumping the default to 128 kB or more for the freebsd-boot partition. Will 64 kB be enough for 9.x? At least for x86 architectures, it seems adequate. The

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-20 Thread Thomas Mueller
Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net There was a typo on my part that I failed to correct, missing at the end of From: Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net Responding to Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com and others on the boot partition: So the 64 KB boot partition, nonbootable on my

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-20 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 04:23:49PM +1000 I heard the voice of Peter Jeremy, and lo! it spake thus: On 2011-Sep-19 13:25:27 +0100, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: Will 64 kB be enough for 9.x? At least for x86 architectures, it seems adequate. [...] As for size, I'd suggest that if the

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-19 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/09/2011 23:18 Kevin Oberman said the following: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated,

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-19 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 09/19/11 02:52, Fbsd8 wrote: Kevin Oberman wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On 18/09/2011 10:55, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Also, I can't see the function of the 64 KB boot partition with no file system, which does not boot for me, though I can boot the main partition using grub2 from the System Rescue CD (http://sysresccd.org/). I seem to

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-19 Thread Fbsd8
Nathan Whitehorn wrote: On 09/19/11 02:52, Fbsd8 wrote: Kevin Oberman wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and in all likelihood at variance with how much space the user wants to allocate, it might be better to offer a roadmap to help guide the

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Antonio Olivares
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and in all likelihood at variance with how much space

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and in all likelihood at variance with how much space the

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: Also, I can't see the function of the 64 KB boot partition with no file system, which does not boot for me (Warning: guesswork and supposition ahead. Set your puzzler in low gear for traction.) AFAIK this is space for

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and in all likelihood at variance with how much space

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Fbsd8
Kevin Oberman wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is unpredictable, at least to the uninitiated, and in all likelihood at variance

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-18 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Kevin Oberman wrote: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:55 AM,  Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: Some more ideas on the new bsdinstaller cross my mind. Since the way the bsdinstaller would make partitions is

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-16 Thread Mark Linimon
Wiki, gnats, scrap of paper on someones desk, etc? I've put a link to the few existing PRs in GNATS onto the wiki page. mcl ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Kevin. You wrote 15 сентября 2011 г., 2:46:21: 7. On the partition editor screen the option finish should be the first in the list (ie; left most side) so if user accepts this config, hitting enter moves to next menu screen instead of having to tab over taking more time and effort.  

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Gary Palmer
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:46:21PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Second, I frequently want custom newfs options, most notably -b, -f, and -i. There was no way to do this with sysinstall The source appears to disagree with you From usr.sbin/sysinstall/label.c /* If the user wants a special newfs

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:46:21PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Second, I frequently want custom newfs options, most notably -b, -f, and -i. There was no way to do this with sysinstall The source appears to disagree with

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:46:21PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Second, I frequently want custom newfs options, most notably -b, -f, and -i. There was

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Gary Palmer
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:02:33AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Kevin Oberman kob6...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:46:21PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: Second, I

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Gary Palmer wrote: Is there a way of tracking suggested improvements to the new installer http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/ ? It's a little more annoying viewing changes in the ViewVC interface. There's also svn log though if you

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Gary Palmer
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:58:55AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Gary Palmer wrote: Is there a way of tracking suggested improvements to the new installer http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/ ? It's a little more annoying viewing

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-15 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Gary Palmer gpal...@freebsd.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:58:55AM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Gary Palmer wrote: Is there a way of tracking suggested improvements to the new installer      

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-14 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 9/12/2011 9:57 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: Here are some problems that I fell need to be addressed in the 9.0 bsdinstaller. 7. On the partition editor screen the option finish should be the first in the list (ie; left most side) so if user accepts this config, hitting enter moves to next menu

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-14 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Fbsd8. You wrote 12 сентября 2011 г., 17:57:41: 7. On the partition editor screen the option finish should be the first in the list (ie; left most side) so if user accepts this config, hitting enter moves to next menu screen instead of having to tab over taking more time and effort.

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-14 Thread Kevin Oberman
2011/9/14 Lev Serebryakov l...@freebsd.org: Hello, Fbsd8. You wrote 12 сентября 2011 г., 17:57:41: 7. On the partition editor screen the option finish should be the first in the list (ie; left most side) so if user accepts this config, hitting enter moves to next menu screen instead of

9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-12 Thread Fbsd8
Here are some problems that I fell need to be addressed in the 9.0 bsdinstaller. 1. During the transitional phase to using the new installer, the bsdinstaller welcome screen should have option to select to use the old sysinstall instead of continuing with the new bsdinstaller. Selecting the

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-12 Thread Lev Serebryakov
Hello, Fbsd8. You wrote 12 сентября 2011 г., 17:57:41: 3.Following the keyboard language menu screen is the set host name screen. It seems that the keyboard language selected in the previous menu is now in effect and if the keys layout does not line up with the keyboard you have, then what

Re: 9.0 beta2 the new bsdinstaller

2011-09-11 Thread Thomas Mueller mueller6727
Actually, I think this kind of question is for the freebsd-current list, so I respond on that list. Problem with the old sysinstall is that sysinstall expects installation sets to be broken into 1392 KB chunks as opposed to a full .tgz, .tbz or .txz, or so I believe: I could be wrong. I