Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-12 Thread Santiago Martinez
Hi there, sorry for the ignorance, but which are the best settings for sysctl? I guess, it depends on the workload that one is executing, right? But based on the emails, I understand some basic ones can be applied to help with general applications, am I right? If that's the case, can we

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Allan Jude
On 12/11/2021 5:38 AM, David Chisnall wrote: While I agree on most of your points, the value of Phoronix is that it tests the default install. As an end user, I don’t care that a particular program is twice as fast on a particular Linux distro as it is on FreeBSD because of kernel features,

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On 12/11/21, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On 12/11/21, Mateusz Guzik wrote: >> On 12/11/21, Piper H wrote: >>> I read this article from Reddit: >>> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=bsd-linux-eo2021=1 >>> >>> I am surprised to see that the BSD cluster today has much worse >>> performance

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On 12/11/21, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On 12/11/21, Piper H wrote: >> I read this article from Reddit: >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=bsd-linux-eo2021=1 >> >> I am surprised to see that the BSD cluster today has much worse >> performance >> than Linux. >> What do you think of

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On 12/11/21, Piper H wrote: > I read this article from Reddit: > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=bsd-linux-eo2021=1 > > I am surprised to see that the BSD cluster today has much worse performance > than Linux. > What do you think of this? > There is a lot to say here. One has to

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
I can say that these "micro" benchmarks are not "so much" useful . When such comparisons are made based on "abstract" views , they DO NOT SHOW very much utility . Over previous years I am always stressing that proper comparisons would be based on a "specified" workload : Which distributions

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread dmilith .
Maybe FreeBSD wouldn't win but results would be much closer. It's also known that default compiler options for ports aren't best. Default sysctl.conf default settings aren't best. They could at least compile all the benchmarks with the same compiler features. So -ffast-math, -flto and -O3 + code

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Chris
On 2021-12-11 02:38, David Chisnall wrote: While I agree on most of your points, the value of Phoronix is that it tests the default install. As an end user, I don’t care that a particular program is twice as fast on a particular Linux distro as it is on FreeBSD because of kernel features,

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Miroslav Lachman
On 11/12/2021 11:17, dmilith . wrote: 1. Where are compiler options for BSDs? 2. Why they compare -O2 to -O3 code in some benchmarks? Why they enable fast math in some, and disable it for others? 3. Why they don't mention powerd setup for FreeBSD? By default it may use slowest CPU mode. Did they

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread beepc.ch
Hi, Is there any tunibg guide(s) to make the default not conservative in a regrding to several use cases like using as web server? - FreeBSD Handbook, Chapter 12. Configuration and Tuning - section 12.12. Tuning with sysctl(8) Just to be clear I almost not used linux and always freebsd

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Sami Halabi
Hi, I see these claims over and over. So I must ask. Is there any tunibg guide(s) to make the default not conservative in a regrding to several use cases like using as web server? How to Utilize gpu maybe? I know there are few network (aka routing / forwarding) guides.. but maybe instead of that

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread David Chisnall
While I agree on most of your points, the value of Phoronix is that it tests the default install. As an end user, I don’t care that a particular program is twice as fast on a particular Linux distro as it is on FreeBSD because of kernel features, compiler options, or dependency choices. I

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread dmilith .
1. Where are compiler options for BSDs? 2. Why they compare -O2 to -O3 code in some benchmarks? Why they enable fast math in some, and disable it for others? 3. Why they don't mention powerd setup for FreeBSD? By default it may use slowest CPU mode. Did they even load cpufreq kernel module? 4. Did

Re: Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread beepc.ch
I am surprised to see that the BSD cluster today has much worse performance than Linux. What do you think of this? "Default" FreeBSD install setting are quite conservative. The Linux common distros are high tuned, those benchmark is in my opinion comparison of apples and oranges. Comparing

Benchmarks: FreeBSD 13 vs. NetBSD 9.2 vs. OpenBSD 7 vs. DragonFlyBSD 6 vs. Linux

2021-12-11 Thread Piper H
I read this article from Reddit: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=bsd-linux-eo2021=1 I am surprised to see that the BSD cluster today has much worse performance than Linux. What do you think of this? Thanks Piper