Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
.. then: * test out pkgng on FreeBSD-9.x and provide as much feedback as you can; * help test out massive deployment, upgrade and auditing scenarios - exactly the kinds of things which cloud using people need. Installing 1 boxes is difficult. Auditing, upgrading and integrating services on

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Jamie ja...@geniegate.com writes: Jails are usually more suited to cloud work than KVM or the latest OpenVZ/Containers/??? of the linux world ever will be... No, they're not. VMWare, RHEV (KVM-based) etc. provide features such as seamless migration of virtual machines from one physical machine

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Jamie
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 04:42:12PM -0400, Rick Macklem wrote: Well, I worked for a computer science dept. for 30years and it seemed to go something like this: - Undergrad installs toy version of Linux on their desktop/laptop, likes it and promotes it to their friends. - When these students

RE: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Oleg Moskalenko
@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... Jamie ja...@geniegate.com writes: Jails are usually more suited to cloud work than KVM or the latest OpenVZ/Containers/??? of the linux world ever will be... No, they're not. VMWare, RHEV (KVM-based) etc. provide features

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Oleg Moskalenko oleg.moskale...@citrix.com writes: Modern large-scale virtualization technologies are based upon bare-metal versions of VMWare and XenServer. They are not Linux and they are not FreeBSD AFAIK, RHEV is KVM on top of RHEL. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no

RE: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Oleg Moskalenko
-Original Message- From: Dag-Erling Smørgrav [mailto:d...@des.no] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 9:48 AM To: Oleg Moskalenko Cc: Jamie; Vincent Hoffman; Vance Siemens; Rick Macklem; freebsd- c...@freebsd.org; freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... Oleg

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Jamie
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:57:33AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: No, they're not. VMWare, RHEV (KVM-based) etc. provide features such as seamless migration of virtual machines from one physical machine to another, automatic restart on a different physical server if one fails etc. that

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am Mon, 21 May 2012 13:47:39 -0500 schrieb Jamie ja...@geniegate.com: On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:57:33AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: No, they're not. VMWare, RHEV (KVM-based) etc. provide features such as seamless migration of virtual machines from one physical machine to another,

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Randy Bush
i am sure the linux weenie troll is sufficiently fed by now. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-21 Thread Alex Moura
2012/5/21 Jamie ja...@geniegate.com On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 10:57:33AM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: No, they're not. VMWare, RHEV (KVM-based) etc. provide features such as seamless migration of virtual machines from one physical machine to another, automatic restart on a different

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-20 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Arlen Cuss a...@unnali.com writes: Troll *is* right there in the name! Yes, thank you, we hadn't noticed. Good thing you were there to set us straight. Oh, and please learn to quote. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no ___

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-20 Thread Jamie
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:20:18PM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote: Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from the App Store and having the installer just work in a modern GUI. You have to admit, FreeBSD is lacking in this area. It would be a boon. Personally, I wouldn't

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-20 Thread Vance Siemens
Maybe there is some truth to this. FreeBSD uses use clang, Apple's compiler, since FreeBSD 9: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-May/067486.html. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Matthew Jacob m...@feral.com wrote: On 5/12/2012 6:25 AM, Vance Siemens wrote: Can you share a

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-20 Thread Rick Macklem
Jamie wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:20:18PM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote: Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from the App Store and having the installer just work in a modern GUI. You have to admit, FreeBSD is lacking in this area. It would be a boon.

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-20 Thread Diane Bruce
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 04:42:12PM -0400, Rick Macklem wrote: Jamie wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:20:18PM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote: Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from ... Well, I worked for a computer science dept. for 30years and it seemed to go

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-18 Thread Arlen Cuss
Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. FreeBSD never had to jettison two thirds of its code base and start from scratch. Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development. No Mac OS X or Darwin version includes FreeBSD. FreeBSD and Mac OS X will never merge.

RE: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-18 Thread Oleg Moskalenko
, 2012 8:23 PM To: Vance Siemens Cc: Dag-Erling Smørgrav; freebsd-current@freebsd.org; freebsd-c...@freebsd.org; Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication... What, 8bit color ANSI isn't GUI enough? But seriously, it feels like it works even worse then it did a decade ago. Rick Hamell

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-17 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Chuck Burns brea...@gmail.com wrote: You guys DO realize that's a troll website, right? And you're being seriously trolled.. right? The URL is legit! This is noes trollz! -- chs, ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-17 Thread Vance Siemens
Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from the App Store and having the installer just work in a modern GUI. You have to admit, FreeBSD is lacking in this area. It would be a boon. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote: Vance Siemens

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-17 Thread Hamell, Rick (SPARQ)
What, 8bit color ANSI isn't GUI enough? But seriously, it feels like it works even worse then it did a decade ago. Rick Hamell Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Vance Siemens vance.siem...@gmail.com wrote: Eh, sorry. I got excited at the prospect of downloading FreeBSD from

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-16 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Vance Siemens vance.siem...@gmail.com writes: Can you share a brief overview of what's wrong with it? Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. FreeBSD never had to jettison two thirds of its code base and start from scratch. Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development.

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-16 Thread Thomas Mueller
Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny. FreeBSD never had to jettison two thirds of its code base and start from scratch. Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development. No Mac OS X or Darwin version includes FreeBSD. FreeBSD and Mac OS X will never merge. FreeBSD was

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-16 Thread Outback Dingo
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com wrote: Umm, it's about as factual as The Onion, except not as funny.  FreeBSD never had to jettison two thirds of its code base and start from scratch.  Apple is not involved in FreeBSD development.  No Mac OS X or Darwin

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-16 Thread Chuck Burns
On 5/16/2012 6:02 PM, Outback Dingo wrote: Guess his next claim will be that the kernel was forked from minix, and userland came from QNX... some people are just plain (biting my tongue) You guys DO realize that's a troll website, right? And you're being seriously trolled..

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-12 Thread Vance Siemens
Can you share a brief overview of what's wrong with it? I guess I'm not as knowledgeable as I thought. The story was quite enticing to me. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote: Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk writes: Vance Siemens vance.siem...@gmail.com

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-12 Thread Matthew Jacob
On 5/12/2012 6:25 AM, Vance Siemens wrote: Can you share a brief overview of what's wrong with it? I guess I'm not as knowledgeable as I thought. The story was quite enticing to me. Very few of the historical facts are actually correct. ___

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-03 Thread Jake Smith
On 03.05.2012 05:31, Vance Siemens wrote: Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? --Vance ___

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-03 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vance Siemens vance.siem...@gmail.com wrote: Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? ROTFL. Thank you for the laughs. That was

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-03 Thread Stefan Esser
Am 03.05.2012 06:31, schrieb Vance Siemens: Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? Looks like the author was just one month late with his April's fool

FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-02 Thread Vance Siemens
Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? --Vance ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-02 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 12:31:12AM -0400, Vance Siemens wrote: Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? Please leave trollaxor on Kuro5hin or slashdot where

Re: FreeBSD 10 prognostication...

2012-05-02 Thread O. Hartmann
On 05/03/12 06:31, Vance Siemens wrote: Can't say that I wouldn't look forward to this, but it sounds a little off: http://www.trollaxor.com/2012/05/freebsd-x-berkeley-unix-apple-quality.html What do others think? --Vance OMG! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature