Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 9 October 2011 13:45, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Mostly what I was getting at here was ensuring the first blocks of the memory stick did not contain actual data.  Though, I fear other forces may be at play here with GPT... There are. We've lost this round; let's just throw MBR

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9 October 2011 13:45, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Mostly what I was getting at here was ensuring the first blocks of the memory stick did not contain actual data.  Though, I fear other forces may be at play

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Thomas Mueller
One issue that has not come up on the emailing list is that dd, designed to work with memsticks of various capacities, can not make the backup gpt at the end of the memstick. Partition is just big enough to hold the data, and I ran out of inodes at times due to the installer writing to /tmp on

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Matt Thyer
On 9 October 2011 19:54, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: One issue that has not come up on the emailing list is that dd, designed to work with memsticks of various capacities, can not make the backup gpt at the end of the memstick. Partition is just big enough to hold the

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Matt Thyer
On 9 October 2011 13:20, Thomas K. f...@gothschlampen.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 07:28:55PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2011, Matt Thyer wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote:

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 9 October 2011 19:10, Matt Thyer matt.th...@gmail.com wrote: Failure to boot the FreeBSD 9.0-BETA{2|3} memstick images does not indicate a problem with a PCs BIOS/UEFI as these images are not properly formatted. Accepted. If we were able to come up with examples of BIOS/UEFI that cannot

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Matt Thyer
On 9 October 2011 21:44, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote: On 9 October 2011 19:10, Matt Thyer matt.th...@gmail.com wrote: Failure to boot the FreeBSD 9.0-BETA{2|3} memstick images does not indicate a problem with a PCs BIOS/UEFI as these images are not properly formatted.

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-09 Thread Adrian Chadd
Oh, I wasn't suggesting reverting bsdinstall before 9.0. That'll make it a bit annoying to install on USB flash drives for some devices. It may be worthwhile to do at a later date though. I do find myself doing USB 9.0 installs just to test out the release without destroying a physical disk. But

Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Thomas K .
Hello, a while ago I downloaded a then current FreeBSD 9 current memstick image and wrote it to an USB pen drive. It didn't boot, but also showed no error. It just did not appear in the list of devices to boot from, after pressing F12 after POST on this box. I thought maybe the pen drive was bad

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Thomas K. f...@gothschlampen.com wrote: Hello, a while ago I downloaded a then current FreeBSD 9 current memstick image and wrote it to an USB pen drive. It didn't boot, but also showed no error. It just did not appear in the list of devices to boot from, after

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Glen Barber
On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general structural differences between FreeBSD 8 and 9 memstick images which could be at fault here? The new memstick image uses GPT instead of MBR partitioning. GPT should have no impact on booting from the memory stick, as far as I

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general structural differences between FreeBSD 8 and 9 memstick images which could be at fault here? The new memstick image uses GPT instead of MBR partitioning. GPT should have no impact on

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Glen Barber
On 10/8/11 5:40 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general structural differences between FreeBSD 8 and 9 memstick images which could be at fault here? The new memstick image uses GPT instead of MBR

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Warren Block
On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 5:40 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general structural differences between FreeBSD 8 and 9 memstick images which could be at fault here? The new

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Matt Thyer
On Oct 9, 2011 8:52 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 5:40 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general structural differences between FreeBSD 8

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Nathan Whitehorn
On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 8:52 AM, Warren Blockwbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 5:40 PM, Warren Block wrote: On Sat, 8 Oct 2011, Glen Barber wrote: On 10/8/11 2:21 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: Are there any general

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Matt Thyer
On Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote: I believe this is actually a case of the memstick image being an improperly formatted GPT as there is no backup partition table at the end of the volume. The only sensible answer is

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Warren Block
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011, Matt Thyer wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote: There is also the interesting question of actually installing to GPT on the hard disk, which is the default in 9.0. Does this not work on some

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 9 October 2011 04:38, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: GPT should have no impact on booting from the memory stick, as far as I am aware. I've already emailed -current with an example where GPT+memstick == fail. Some theories include that GPT/EFT on USB is what the BIOS expects when doing

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Glen Barber
On 10/8/11 10:00 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: On 9 October 2011 04:38, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: GPT should have no impact on booting from the memory stick, as far as I am aware. I've already emailed -current with an example where GPT+memstick == fail. Some theories include that

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 9 October 2011 10:15, Glen Barber g...@freebsd.org wrote: Yep, and I also recall you bringing this up in IRC.  Though, at that time (well, up until a few hours ago), I wasn't aware of the Lenovo issue Warren mentioned. So, that said, I happily stand corrected.  I am now aware of a few GPT

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Thomas K.
On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 04:38:09PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: Thomas, can you please zero out the beginning of the 1024 bytes of your memory stick, as follows (please take care to note the actual device for your memory stick, and change '/dev/da0' below, as appropriate): dd

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Thomas K.
On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 07:28:55PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2011, Matt Thyer wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote: There is also the interesting question of actually installing to GPT on the

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Thomas K. f...@gothschlampen.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 07:28:55PM -0600, Warren Block wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2011, Matt Thyer wrote: On Oct 9, 2011 11:04 AM, Nathan Whitehorn nwhiteh...@freebsd.org wrote: On 10/08/11 19:25, Matt Thyer wrote: There

Re: Memstick image differences between 8.x and 9.x

2011-10-08 Thread Glen Barber
On 10/8/11 10:41 PM, Thomas K. wrote: On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 04:38:09PM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: Thomas, can you please zero out the beginning of the 1024 bytes of your memory stick, as follows (please take care to note the actual device for your memory stick, and change '/dev/da0' below,